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Old 10-13-2016, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Extremism is always bad, regardless of what side it falls on. I've always been a moderate, but I just can't get behind anything that the left has to offer, which unfortunately has pushed me to the far right. Trump is getting my vote.
This is actually one of my pet peeves, probably because so many people believe and repeat it. No, extremism isn't always bad, and being moderate isn't always the reasonable stance. I'll explain...

If you believe all rape is wrong, you're an extremist. If you believe all theft is wrong, you're an extremist. If you think we need to compromise, find the middle ground, and find the sensible amount of theft and rape to allow, you're a moderate. There are some areas that you should be an extremist...otherwise you have no principles at all.

I think people confuse being moderate with being unbiased. It's two different things.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Houston
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. I have never been fond of polls. Have never come across anyone who says they were polled. Who are all these people who take calls from unknown callers and then disclose their party, religion, race, candidate and more to strangers?

Just check out the final polls and electoral college count on realclearpolitics.com the 1st Monday in November and you will start believing in polls. They will predict the winner, in the absence of a 2000 type race, and get at least 48 states correct.

This election is over, in the absence of a massive terror attack perpetrated by Syrian refugees.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:22 AM
 
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Lots of things to regret. Number one was a do-nothing congress that refused to stand up to Obama and his antics. They gave him nearly everything he wanted. In 8 years only one of Oblubber's vetos was overridden. In 8 years, they only passed 12 bills that Blubber vetoed. Our establishment Repubs are no different than establishment Dems. They put far more effort into attacking Trump than they ever did Obama.
The Republican Congress stood up to Obama every second that he's been president.

The Republicans were unsuccessful in stopping him, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. They lost because he's smart and they're a bunch of idiot hothead reactionaries.

And guess what? The same way Republicans were abused by Clinton and Obama? Yeah....that's about to happen for another eight years. Because we can always be sure that Repubs will overreach, act a fool, and lose the argument.

You guys are hardheaded. You keep thinking that you're sucking wind because you're not conservative enough. But that ain't why. It's because your party is full of loons that sound deranged and they've taken the party off the rails. My goodness...Donald Trump is your party nominee.
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Do conservatives regret anything from the past eight years?



Yes!! I regret that the liberals have ruined this country over the last 8 years, and they want to finish it off by electing Hillary.
Another RadCon that just doesn't get it.
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I don't believe that all of the claims on that list are accurate. I didn't claim that anything specifically was inaccurate. I just don't believe that they are all true.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
Lol...you're wasting your time with that crowd. They hate Obama so much that they're too deranged to listen to reason.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Houston
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This is actually one of my pet peeves, probably because so many people believe and repeat it. No, extremism isn't always bad, and being moderate isn't always the reasonable stance. I'll explain...

If you believe all rape is wrong, you're an extremist. If you believe all theft is wrong, you're an extremist. If you think we need to compromise, find the middle ground, and find the sensible amount of theft and rape to allow, you're a moderate. There are some areas that you should be an extremist...otherwise you have no principles at all.

I think people confuse being moderate with being unbiased. It's two different things.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:23 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Seriously. Trump is going to lose. Hillary is going to be POTUS.

The Republican Party and conservatives spent eight years vilifying Barack Obama, being completely obstructionist toward his policies, and saying over and over again how Obama was going to completely destroy the United States. He was supposedly going to take everyone's guns away, institute shariah law, and put people in FEMA death camps.

Eight years of that unhinged ranting lead to Trump becoming the GOP presidential nominee. You've basically handed Hillary Clinton the White House on a silver platter.

Has the Republican Party learned anything? Have conservatives taken note of how none of this worked against Obama and the Democrats? Or will it be eight more years of attempted obstructionism and trying to "impeach" Hillary over whatever perceived crimes Fox News and talk radio say she has perpetrated?
I disagree with you. Its not eight years of "unhinged rantings" against Obama that lead to Trump. Its decades of neglect, corruption and the ignoring of the problems of this country by the Establishment that lead to Trump. Even back in the 1990s, many people were looking for alternatives and voted for Ross Perot (including a young LINative) simply because the Establishment leadership at that time, notably George Bush I, were ignoring the problems of this country. George Bush I went from overwhelming popularity after winning the Gulf War to loosing the 1992 election against a political nobody called Bill Clinton.

We have seen pensions disappearing, jobs being sent overseas, massive trade deficits (367 billion last year with China alone), the cost of healthcare exploding, and the COL rising faster then salaries. And these Establishment types like Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton really do not have any solutions, they are in fact part of the problem.

It really is a shame that Trump's personality turned out to be so clownish, he could have changed the Republican Party and united a large number of working and middle class Americans across racial, ethnic and religious lines into almost a movement. Instead he makes one mistake after another.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:24 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Our country is more divided than ever and much of this falls squarely on the shoulders of Obama. He makes excuses for BLM violence when he's supposed to pay his respects to murdered police officers. He vilifies a school for reporting what appeared to be an obvious bomb and not a clock, invites him to the white house. Goes on humiliating apology tours around the world. Pisses off Isreal and Saudi Arabia. Infuriates non-liberals with his politically correct BS by refusing to mention or acknowledge Radical Islamic terrorism. Murder is up in Chicago and probably other places. Racial tensions are at an all time high. Our enemies don't fear us. Our friends don't trust us. The national debt nearly doubled under his presidency. We're on the verge of another world war with Russia.

Depressed to see it will continue another 4 years with the election of Hillary Clinton. If anybody other than a clown like Trump were opposing her maybe we'd have a Republican in the white house again. Who knows, maybe we'll all be blasted to hell. Obama sucks
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:24 AM
 
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This is actually one of my pet peeves, probably because so many people believe and repeat it. No, extremism isn't always bad, and being moderate isn't always the reasonable stance. I'll explain...

If you believe all rape is wrong, you're an extremist. If you believe all theft is wrong, you're an extremist. If you think we need to compromise, find the middle ground, and find the sensible amount of theft and rape to allow, you're a moderate. There are some areas that you should be an extremist...otherwise you have no principles at all.

I think people confuse being moderate with being unbiased. It's two different things.

Well you got me, I did say all extremism is bad. Sorry , I figured context would prevail on this one, and since we were talking politics I sort of assumed one would understand that is what I'm talking about.
Common sense isn't always so common I guess.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by T0103E View Post
This is actually one of my pet peeves, probably because so many people believe and repeat it. No, extremism isn't always bad, and being moderate isn't always the reasonable stance. I'll explain...

If you believe all rape is wrong, you're an extremist. If you believe all theft is wrong, you're an extremist. If you think we need to compromise, find the middle ground, and find the sensible amount of theft and rape to allow, you're a moderate. There are some areas that you should be an extremist...otherwise you have no principles at all.

I think people confuse being moderate with being unbiased. It's two different things.
Nonsense. It's not an extremist position to say that all rape is bad.

It's extremist to say that we should kill anyone accused of rape without trial or evidence beyond the initial accusation.

Huge difference.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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Lol...you're wasting your time with that crowd. They hate Obama so much that they're too deranged to listen to reason.
Yeah, you're probably right. Not going to bother anymore.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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Our country is more divided than ever and much of this falls squarely on the shoulders of Obama. He makes excuses for BLM violence when he's supposed to pay his respects to murdered police officers. He vilifies a school for reporting what appeared to be an obvious bomb and not a clock, invites him to the white house. Goes on humiliating apology tours around the world. Pisses off Isreal and Saudi Arabia. Infuriates non-liberals with his politically correct BS by refusing to mention or acknowledge Radical Islamic terrorism. Murder is up in Chicago and probably other places. Racial tensions are at an all time high. Our enemies don't fear us. Our friends don't trust us. The national debt nearly doubled under his presidency. We're on the verge of another world war with Russia.

Depressed to see it will continue another 4 years with the election of Hillary Clinton. If anybody other than a clown like Trump were opposing her maybe we'd have a Republican in the white house again. Who knows, maybe we'll all be blasted to hell. Obama sucks
After you said "pisses off Israel and Saudi Arabia," I stopped reading. Waste of time.

In fact, I can't believe that I'm even responding to that tripe at all.
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