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Old 10-31-2016, 08:16 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Wouldn't make a difference as some POTUS will add more IOU's into the account. Do you really think the money that is supposed to be in the account is really there? The reality is when the account was flush, the POTUS (all of them no matter the party) placed IOU's and borrowed the money and thus it's a bucket filled with IOU's. There's nothing really there.
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Old 10-31-2016, 09:10 PM
 
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Wouldn't make a difference as some POTUS will add more IOU's into the account. Do you really think the money that is supposed to be in the account is really there? The reality is when the account was flush, the POTUS (all of them no matter the party) placed IOU's and borrowed the money and thus it's a bucket filled with IOU's. There's nothing really there.
The money in there is invested in Treasury securities as required by statute. There are no IOUs.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths.html


Myth 4: President Roosevelt promised that the money the participants paid would be put into the independent "Trust Fund," rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other Government program

The idea here is basically correct. However, this statement is usually joined to a second statement to the effect that this principle was violated by subsequent Administrations. However, there has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government.

The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:04 AM
 
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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I just wrote a $4,000 check today for property taxes.

Hey how about this? Stop all foreign aide, close most of the unnecessary alphabet agencies. Do we need 19 aircraft carrier battle groups when the ruskies and china have ONE each? Bring most troops home. Use the miney for universal health care, soc security and a guaranteed min income for all.

Or, OMG - give the money back to us.
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:44 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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I just wrote a $4,000 check today for property taxes.

Hey how about this? Stop all foreign aide, close most of the unnecessary alphabet agencies. Do we need 19 aircraft carrier battle groups when the ruskies and china have ONE each? Bring most troops home. Use the miney for universal health care, soc security and a guaranteed min income for all.

Or, OMG - give the money back to us.
Personal Property taxes go to your county and not to the country. Attend more county meetings to see how that money is spent.
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:59 AM
 
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$50 Billion would cover nearly 2 weeks. Eliminate the wage cap and you get another 2 weeks.

You still have to raise the FICA payroll tax or cut benefits to meet the payout.
Yep. A little bit of both probably needs to happen. Raise the FICA tax and have a means test for benefits.

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1% increase in the payroll taxes and eliminating the cap funds it until the end of the century or so where they stop projecting.

Pretty good deal considering it is the last defined benefit plan 95% of Americans will ever have access to. Seems like a reasonable thing to me.

Sooner it gets done the better as well since the longer we wait the bigger the change will be needed.
Good post. I haven't done the numbers myself, but this sounds like a good plan.

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Well both should be stopped. Foreign aid ASAP and Social Security phased out over time.
So what exactly are you going to do with all of the people who are too old to work but are stuck in absolute poverty?
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:00 AM
 
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The money in there is invested in Treasury securities as required by statute. There are no IOUs.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths.html


Myth 4: President Roosevelt promised that the money the participants paid would be put into the independent "Trust Fund," rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other Government program

The idea here is basically correct. However, this statement is usually joined to a second statement to the effect that this principle was violated by subsequent Administrations. However, there has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government.

The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."
Excellent post. I am amazed at how many people regurgitate myths that are so easily debunked with a quick Google search.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:54 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I see the cutting of foreign aid as the only recourse available to the United States of America in it's efforts
to save and savage it's Social Security Retirement Program and Benefits.


U.S. Foreign Aid By Country | Huffington Post



Imagine the surplus if the government didn't lose the money diverted from FA to SS fraud. Even with no FA added the money lost to waste and fraud would be substanial.


A pipe dream to think government bureaucrats can be part of the solution to money or health distribution.
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:30 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Most foreign aid is for the purchase of American made weapons and farm products.

AKA: Corporate Welfare
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Old 11-01-2016, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I see the cutting of foreign aid as the only recourse available to the United States of America in it's efforts
to save and savage it's Social Security Retirement Program and Benefits.


U.S. Foreign Aid By Country | Huffington Post
It's a very good start. Foreign aid takes money from our poor and gives it to the rich of other countries. We don't even know where our own money goes in this country and we think it'll go towards the right things in other countries?
But in the end it's just a stop gap measure. Entitlements have to change or there will be nothing left for future generations.
Bringing the troops home to defend our borders would save us a ton of money and help the economy. Basically the same thing you're saying, stay out of other countries affairs.
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Old 11-01-2016, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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How about the U.S. stop wasting trillions on the Empire Military and trying to police the earth, which actually WOULD free up enough money to take care of Social Security and other critical shortfalls?
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