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I don't speak for everyone, but I can say I am very much outraged at those causing destruction and distracting from the message the protesters are trying to show. I am all in favor of the peaceful protesters, I just wish others would also know the difference between those that protest peacefully and those that wish to destroy property for the sake of it.
I support the right of peaceful protest. But these protests really do bother me, and not only because of the associated violence. I find it disturbing that they are protesting the mere fact that Trump won, as if fairly winning an election is a cause for protest. One of the things that has made this country great is our willingness to accept the results of an election (whether we agree with it or not) and have a peaceful, orderly transition of power. These protesters are undermining that.
As a liberal, I am very confused by the logic of these protesters.
Throughout America, the people chose Trump.
And aren't they supposed to be all about the power of the people?
Why protest his victory? He won, fair and square.
If you're going to protest, protest his plans or actions. For example, if you worry about him filling up Supreme Court with people who would overturn Roe v Wade, protest about that. If you're concerned that he's not calling out the emboldened racists who are committing hate crimes in his name, then protest about that. (Though he actually recently did call them out)
Or, if you want to protest the electoral college voting system itself, by all means do so. But do it with the intention of changing the entire process for all future presidential elections going forward. Don't do it just to oust one president-elect, who was elected due to the current rules of the game. What kind of third world style BS is that?
These protesters need to be honest with themselves when they ask, "Am I really fighting for the American people?"
One of Portland's greats, talk show host Clyde Lewis (http://www.groundzeromedia.org/), said yesterday evening that the protesters are protesting things that they fear *might* happen.
Think about that. They are protesting about things that have not or will not happen.
Expending all this energy on nothing.
Yeah, we understand that Trump won and Bernie didn't.
How long and how much destruction does it take to get that message across?
BTW, for a lot of these people, Hillary was never really in the picture.
Portland was a HUGE Bernie Sanders town.
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I support the right of peaceful protest. But these protests really do bother me, and not only because of the associated violence. I find it disturbing that they are protesting the mere fact that Trump won, as if fairly winning an election is a cause for protest. One of the things that has made this country great is our willingness to accept the results of an election (whether we agree with it or not) and have a peaceful, orderly transition of power. These protesters are undermining that.
Actually I think they have a valid reason to protest, Hillary did win the popular vote, yet lost the electoral vote, makes you wonder if the electoral college needs to be changed to better represent the population. Why should a midwest state with a small population have a stronger power than people in a high populated state.
California has an electoral vote for every 705K people, yet Wyoming has an electoral vote for 182K. That isn't even remotely balanced or even close to properly representing this country. Even the House is a poor representation of this country when representatives in more populated states have more people they represent than those in small populated states.
So that reason alone is a great reason to protest.
Actually I think they have a valid reason to protest, Hillary did win the popular vote, yet lost the electoral vote, makes you wonder if the electoral college needs to be changed to better represent the population. Why should a midwest state with a small population have a stronger power than people in a high populated state.
California has an electoral vote for every 705K people, yet Wyoming has an electoral vote for 182K. That isn't even remotely balanced or even close to properly representing this country. Even the House is a poor representation of this country when representatives in more populated states have more people they represent than those in small populated states.
So that reason alone is a great reason to protest.
Is it so hard to understand that it's meant to BALANCE the power/voice to elect someone that's supposed to represent ALL of the people and not just those from heavier populated states?
It must be...
To restate what has been already said, should the team that gets the most runs over the 7 games of the world series be the winner or the team that won the most games?
Understand it now?
Is it so hard to understand that it's meant to BALANCE the power/voice to elect someone that's supposed to represent ALL of the people and not just those from heavier populated states?
It must be...
To restate what has been already said, should the team that gets the most runs over the 7 games of the world series be the winner or the team that won the most games?
Understand it now?
But that brings up the question, what is the balance? Having an electoral vote in one state represent 700K people while in another state represent 180K, that seems like it is off balanced and giving more power and voice to the one that represents the least amount of voters.
The World Series thing doesn't work, it would be more like giving more weight to each run depending on where they come from. This batter is from a rural town and scored a run, so his counts as 3 runs, but the batter from a big city scores a run and his run is only work 1 run. Sure, there might be more runners from big cities on the team, but that doesn't mean the rural batter's score is worth more.
Actually I think they have a valid reason to protest, Hillary did win the popular vote, yet lost the electoral vote, makes you wonder if the electoral college needs to be changed to better represent the population. Why should a midwest state with a small population have a stronger power than people in a high populated state.
California has an electoral vote for every 705K people, yet Wyoming has an electoral vote for 182K. That isn't even remotely balanced or even close to properly representing this country. Even the House is a poor representation of this country when representatives in more populated states have more people they represent than those in small populated states.
So that reason alone is a great reason to protest.
It makes me wonder how you plan on succeeding in life with such a lack of understanding of civics. Like dude......
It makes me wonder how you plan on succeeding in life with such a lack of understanding of civics. Like dude......
Thanks for worrying about my well being I guess, but I am financially fine. I own a few apartment buildings that keep me busy and help a friend run his contracting business, so I wouldn't worry too much about me. But that doesn't change my question. In what world does it make sense to have such a lopsided representation in this country? I get it, when your side wins, you love it, but when your side loses, I am sure you want to get rid of the electoral college too. Though I couldn't careless about who wins or loses, I am more concerned about the lopsided representation because that doesn't seem like it is equally representing Americans.
And just so you know, plenty of people say "dude." Take my lawyer, he uses that word often, but then again, that might just be a west coast thing.
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