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Old 12-17-2016, 04:42 PM
 
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The Republicans need 51 Senate votes to pass measures with a simple majority and for confirmations when reconciliation is used. The Vice-President gets to vote, only when there's a tie. That means if two republican senators are in opposition and no democrats can be recruited, nothing passes.
yes this is true as long as everything goes to the senate floor for an up or down vote. however there are procedures in the senate that require 60 votes to bring a measure to the floor. cloture requires 60 votes, breaking a filibuster requires 60 votes, or those that called the filibuster decide to end it.

and by the way. if two republicans oppose something, that means there is in fact a tie since the republicans hold a 52/48 advantage, and that means that pence casts the deciding vote, or as al gore once said, every time i vote as vice president we win.
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Old 12-17-2016, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Democrats are going to face a brutal map in 2018..... 33 Senate seats will be in play. Of those 33, only 8 are held by Republicans. Democrats will be defending 25 seats (2 are independents who caucus with Democrats). Worse is the fact that many of the seats they must defend are in states won by Trump. Trump lost the electoral college votes of only 1 of the 8 states where Republican senators are up for re-election in 2018

Joe Manchin, Democrat from WV will probably win re-election in 2018, he is a conservative Democrat with populist instincts. Far left Democrats will have a harder time. Heck, I even like him.
Yes many seats up for grabs but then there is the Trump factor. Many of those states that he carried, coal country, rust belt and others are going to have tough time defending if he doesn't come through on his many, many, many large promises.
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Old 12-17-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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Trump does have a filibuster proof Senate because the Dems changed the rules to the nuclear option in 2013. Majority rules.
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Old 12-17-2016, 05:01 PM
 
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Trump does have a filibuster proof Senate because the Dems changed the rules to the nuclear option in 2013. Majority rules.
Only on Federal Court appointments (not SCOTUS}and I believe cabinet appointments, nothing else.


I didn't want the rules changed but there was a good reason.
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Old 12-17-2016, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Only on Federal Court appointments (not SCOTUS}and I believe cabinet appointments, nothing else.


I didn't want the rules changed but there was a good reason.
My understanding is it only takes a majority of the senators voting to pass any bill, 51 votes, from my civics class decades ago. The Republicans have a majority of 52 in the Senate. And the nuclear option, passed by the democrats, may be used for cabinet appoints so Trump's cabinet appointments are likely a slam dunk. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 12-17-2016, 05:23 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Are you sure he didn't have "Medicaid", not Medicare?

With Medicaid, everything is paid for by the tax payer and you don't have to shop. While with Medicare you have to shop at minimal for part D and we have to pay co-pays and the premium is deducted from each months social security check. As explained above if you aren't poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, you get Medicare and can opt to shop for a Medicare Advantage plan.

Natalie, before debating, you really need to learn the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. The middle class is heading for a train wreck while the poor will be taken care of better than the middle class even though the middle class pay for it while they worked.
Most likely her father had a Medicare Advantage Plan.
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Old 12-17-2016, 05:31 PM
 
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My understanding is it only takes a majority of the senators voting to pass any bill, 51 votes, from my civics class decades ago. The Republicans have a majority of 52 in the Senate. And the nuclear option, passed by the democrats, may be used for cabinet appoints so Trump's cabinet appointments are likely a slam dunk. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
to break a filibuster it still takes 60 votes, for most items. you can filibuster presidential appointments, but the nuclear option can be used there to break a filibuster. if a bill comes before the senate floor it requires 60 votes to break a filibuster, and it requires 60 votes for cloture to bring the bill to the senate floor for an up or down vote.
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Old 12-17-2016, 05:34 PM
 
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to break a filibuster it still takes 60 votes, for most items. you can filibuster presidential appointments, but the nuclear option can be used there to break a filibuster. if a bill comes before the senate floor it requires 60 votes to break a filibuster, and it requires 60 votes for cloture to bring the bill to the senate floor for an up or down vote.
Would you provide a source? Thanks.
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Old 12-17-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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My understanding is it only takes a majority of the senators voting to pass any bill, 51 votes, from my civics class decades ago. The Republicans have a majority of 52 in the Senate. And the nuclear option, passed by the democrats, may be used for cabinet appoints so Trump's cabinet appointments are likely a slam dunk. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You stated flatly that he has a filibuster proof senate, that is not true in general as I stated. Ending a Filibuster has nothing to do with a majority vote to pass a bill, why are you bringing that up.


Yes his cabinet appointments could be approved by a simple majority but you are making the assumption that every republican senator will vote their approval. That premise may not work out quite that way, some democrats crossed over to the other side then they had the majority. I can see a rather rocky road for some of his appointments,
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Old 12-17-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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Only on Federal Court appointments (not SCOTUS}and I believe cabinet appointments, nothing else.


I didn't want the rules changed but there was a good reason.
The Senate can change its rules by majority vote. The 60-votes to end a filibuster was a tradition. Reid decided to end the tradition for certain votes. The R's can do the same thing.


For the D's who complain because they had a 'good' reason, I say boohoo
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