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Old 01-15-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Concerning The Donald and the intensely capitalistic Russians. The Donald and his generally failing companies always need cheap money and the Russian Oligarchs, through their domination of the Russian petroleum resources and near future access to the Iranian natural gas, have much more money than even the Saudi's.


They are a match made in business heaven.
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Old 01-15-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Trump hasn't even taken office yet, how could he have done anything that is a conflict of interest.

The Clinton Foundation taking money is much worse that Trump having businesses. People pay for service rendered with a business. People that gave to the Clinton Foundation (supposedly) got nothing in return. There is no possible justification for people, groups, or countries to "donate" to the CF if they had, or could have matters before the State Department. Nor is there any possible justification for the CF to accept donations from people with matters before the State Department.

What is the worst, is that the Clintons were personally paid millions by groups that had matters before the State Department, and received favorable action from Hillary while SoS.

If you can show that Trump diverts in excess of a hundred million dollars into his companies, with no service rendered, and personally receives millions from groups, or people that have recieved favorable action from Trump, like the Clintons did, then, and only then can we start to talk about conflicts of interest.

I can assure you that if there is the amount of evidence of pay for play with Trump, that there is with the Clintons, I will speak out.
Once again the Clinton Foundation was a charity, they didn't donate to the Clintons and many of them continued to donate before and after she was SOS. Many countries had dealings with the US, while that may give the appearance there is no proof that she directly profited.


Trump's businesses on the other hand directly profit from these countries, there doesn't even have to be something illegal. It could be as simple as countries using his hotels and golf courses to curry favor. Who exactly is going to monitor all his holdings, how much staff do you think they have?


Right off the bat he has a conflict regarding a lawsuit with the Old Post Office on the mall not to mention the $300M loan with Deutsche Bank and others.
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Old 01-15-2017, 05:21 PM
 
Location: United States
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Once again the Clinton Foundation was a charity, they didn't donate to the Clintons and many of them continued to donate before and after she was SOS. Many countries had dealings with the US, while that may give the appearance there is no proof that she directly profited.


Trump's businesses on the other hand directly profit from these countries, there doesn't even have to be something illegal. It could be as simple as countries using his hotels and golf courses to curry favor. Who exactly is going to monitor all his holdings, how much staff do you think they have?


Right off the bat he has a conflict regarding a lawsuit with the Old Post Office on the mall not to mention the $300M loan with Deutsche Bank and others.
People that recieved favorable treatment from Hillary paid Bill Clinton to give speeches for 3-4 time his normal speaking fees, and you say there is no proof.

This is why nobody can take you dems seriously, you won't even admit to overt pay for play with the Clintons, but somehow someone staying at one of Trump's hotels, or a pre-existing loan is conflicts of interest.

Your partisanship speaks for itself, I'm done with you.
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Old 01-15-2017, 06:00 PM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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Once again the Clinton Foundation was a charity, they didn't donate to the Clintons and many of them continued to donate before and after she was SOS. Many countries had dealings with the US, while that may give the appearance there is no proof that she directly profited.


Trump's businesses on the other hand directly profit from these countries, there doesn't even have to be something illegal. It could be as simple as countries using his hotels and golf courses to curry favor. Who exactly is going to monitor all his holdings, how much staff do you think they have?


Right off the bat he has a conflict regarding a lawsuit with the Old Post Office on the mall not to mention the $300M loan with Deutsche Bank and others.
This is what I don't get, how he apparently has tons of lawsuits pending and other issues, yet has been allowed to continue on, despite it. It is unlike any situation we have experienced before (though some insist on making comparisons to others, which are incomparable). I don't know why there are not stricter standards or restrictions on candidates when entering a race.
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Old 01-15-2017, 06:24 PM
 
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Trump has the lowest approval rating of any president yet going into office. I think people are on to his story telling and his love for Russia. I wish he would show his tax returns so we can see who Trump owes money to. That will most likely tell the story....
It sure would,
wondering if Trump still is having to go to court the day before
inauguration or did he settle out of court?
Haven't read anything about that lately.
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Old 01-16-2017, 04:46 AM
 
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Trump has the lowest approval rating of any president yet going into office. I think people are on to his story telling and his love for Russia. I wish he would show his tax returns so we can see who Trump owes money to. That will most likely tell the story....

I do too,his taxes might even get him impeached.
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Old 01-16-2017, 06:24 AM
 
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The minute Trump takes the oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution, he will be in violation of Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 of the Constitution.

“...And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

His plans to donate any profit his hotels make from any foreign state guests to the U.S. treasury is nothing but nonsense.

Though paying taxes would certainly be a step in the right direction, the Constitution is clear that accepting the money in the first place is not allowed.

Furthermore, emolument refers to the payment, not the profit from those payments.

Emolument: Payment that is made for work that has been done. (Supposedly it refers to payments made to millers for grinding corn as "emolere" means "grind out.")

So starting at noon on Friday, any King, Prince, or foreign State guests paying to stay at Trump hotel or play on a Trump golf course, paying management fees to one his property management companies... puts Trump in violation of the Constitution he has just promised to uphold.
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Old 01-16-2017, 06:27 AM
 
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Why Trump's Contempt For The Emoluments Clause Matters | The Huffington Post

Describes how any business deal would also violate this clause, regardless of whether the Bobsey twins were in charge or not.
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Old 01-16-2017, 06:31 AM
 
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Why Trump's Contempt For The Emoluments Clause Matters | The Huffington Post

Describes how any business deal would also violate this clause, regardless of whether the Bobsey twins were in charge or not.
LOL, sorry but I like this.
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Old 01-16-2017, 06:31 AM
 
Location: *
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The minute Trump takes the oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution, he will be in violation of Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 of the Constitution.

“...And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

His plans to donate any profit his hotels make from any foreign state guests to the U.S. treasury is nothing but nonsense.

Though paying taxes would certainly be a step in the right direction, the Constitution is clear that accepting the money in the first place is not allowed.

Furthermore, emolument refers to the payment, not the profit from those payments.

Emolument: Payment that is made for work that has been done. (Supposedly it refers to payments made to millers for grinding corn as "emolere" means "grind out.")

So starting at noon on Friday, any King, Prince, or foreign State guests paying to stay at Trump hotel or play on a Trump golf course, paying management fees to one his property management companies... puts Trump in violation of the Constitution he has just promised to uphold.
President-elect Trump's tax returns would, ostensibly, contain information re: payments rendered. It's no wonder why he continues to 'plead the fifth'.
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