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Old 12-29-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Secure, Undisclosed
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Ok, serious question, other countries try hacking us all the time, deny that and we'll know you're naive. But what makes this different, the problem is that the hacker released the emails for the public to read? I agree, hacking is a problem but the content of those emails wasn't good, it showed the deceit in the DNC/Democrat party. And Hillary had a server in the bathroom knowing that attempts to hack is nothing new. That in itself shows she's not too bright.
Of course other countries hack us all the time. And we hack them all the time. Cyberspace is a new battle space, and the intelligence communities do there what we used to do in person - skulk around following people, watching buildings, trying to steal secrets and conducting other assorted tradecraft. Now it's done with a keyboard - on both sides.

If they had hacked Podesta and the DNC and kept the intel take to themselves, it would have simply been espionage - the same thing we do to them. In Mike Hayden's words, what the Russians did was to 'weaponize' (his word) that intel by feeding it back into the US election process through the media. From his perspective (former NSA and CIA director, and a history buff), that is the first time that has happened to the US. I think he would acknowledge that the Russians and the KGB before them have been doing this to other countries for years.

Keep in mind that when Obama was getting high with his surfer buddies in Hawaii (according to his autobiography), Putin was a fresh young KGB lieutenant making his bones as an intelligence case officer in East Germany.

And I agree with your assessment regarding both the deceit within the DNC and Hilary's notable lack of brilliance.
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:01 PM
 
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For the techies, here is the link to GRIZZLY STEPPE, the US counterintelligence operation to identify who hacked what:

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...R_16-20296.pdf

Stand by for 35 American diplomats to get expelled...
What it does is blames several "known" Russian hacking organizations for what was simply a very unsophisticated phishing attack, one which could have been conducted by any 15-year-old in Cambodia or any other location around the globe. It is unclear if this report, for which the DHS "does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding" its contents is what is supposed to pass off as "proof" that Russia hacked the US election.

"Grizzly Steppe" - FBI, DHS Release "Report" On Russian Hacking
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:03 PM
 
Location: east coast
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From the WH statement:

Finally, the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are releasing declassified technical information on Russian civilian and military intelligence service cyber activity, to help network defenders in the United States and abroad identify, detect, and disrupt Russia’s global campaign of malicious cyber activities.

Why are you believing Russia rather than US intelligence? Because your boy Trump says we need to get on with our lives? Unfreakingreal.
The demonstration of strength by Obama is fake and will not last. This is weasel-like behavior that will get people into some serious altercations..
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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I fail to see why any US citizen should trust a rapist hiding in a foreign embassy over the assessment of our own Department of Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc.

If that's truly the stance of Trump supporters, you've completely lost the plot.
Looks like we are at that point.

Remember the "October surprise" that turned out to be nothing but a long-winded marketing effort for his CDs and so forth. Pissed Alex Jones (InforWars) off big time.

The emails were amounted to nothing more than the usual back and forth between people coordinating strategy and one thing and another. The RW tried to make it sound like it amounted to something. Pedestal is a Satanist and so forth. But sane people saw through that nonsense.

The real news was that Russia was interfering in our elections.

And whether Trump and his faithful followers believe it, that is still the shocking news.
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The demonstration of strength by Obama is fake and will not last. This is weasel-like behavior that will get people into some serious altercations..
So you think he should have just dismissed the Russian hacking and said - don't do that again.
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:06 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Once again Obama is acting like a delusional fool. Maybe he's truly so narcissistic he'll never believe the Democrats lost because of how terrible his 8 years have been and how out of touch his party and Hillary are with the real America as opposed to the illegal aliens, BLM racists, Planned Parenthood baby killers, etc
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:07 PM
 
Location: east coast
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Why is it that Trumpetts are so anti-American and so pro-Putin that they refuse to even believe that Russia has hacked into our election system?

Just because y'all don't see the evidence doesn't mean it is not there.
This is the taunt of a weasel. Your man obummy now took action so you are standing behind him in his shadows. You have no idea about what is to come as a result of Obama going through with this. But I surely won't see you on the front lines.
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Once again Obama is acting like a delusional fool. Maybe he's truly so narcissistic he'll never believe the Democrats lost because of how terrible his 8 years have been and how out of touch his party and Hillary are with the real America as opposed to the illegal aliens, BLM racists, Planned Parenthood baby killers, etc
Do you feel better now!
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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They were declared persona non grata. They have proof they were spying. Whose side are you on?

I wonder how long those known spies were here before they were expelled ......
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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So you think he should have just dismissed the Russian hacking and said - don't do that again.


I'd make it public. I'd report the names of the people and ask the UN for a resolution of condemnation.
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