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Old 01-15-2017, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Foothills of Maryland Blue Ridge mountains
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The part she go wrong is that it will be Republicans running them.

If you’re one of the 52 million Americans with a pre-existing condition, right now, under the Affordable Care Act, you can get insurance, no questions asked. If the Republicans get their way, you can get insurance if you don’t ever go without it, but if you lapse, you’ll be charged more and you may get pushed into a high-risk pool where you’ll get charged a lot more for inadequate coverage. If you can afford it, good for you. If you can’t, you’re screwed. There will be people who can’t afford that coverage, who’ll go without it, and who won’t be able to get care at the moment they most desperately need it. We know, because there were so many who suffered that fate before the ACA was passed.

That’s the “better” system Republicans want to give you.
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Old 01-15-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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I've had to cover this so many times. We have "death panels". We always have and always will. We will not cover just any procedure anyone wants done. The example I've used before is that if you are 90 you aren't getting a new heart. Someone some where makes this decision. It's an easy one to make.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:08 PM
 
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This also impacts people that don't currently have a pre-existing condition. Because, at some point in the future, they might get sick or have an accident, or get diabetes or have a breast lump. At that point, as soon as the new medical condition takes place, they are then labeled as having a pre-existing condition for the future.

If they have health insurance that's not through their job, their policy might quadruple the rates at the next annual enrollment period. But if they try to shop around other insurance companies for a better rate, they will find that most won't insure them at any price and the few that will insure them want $1400/month for 1 person for a basic policy.

This could be for someone that is 100% healthy but just had a breast lump that was biopsied and deemed benign. But the insurance companies think you are a higher risk going forward.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Left coast
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This also impacts people that don't currently have a pre-existing condition. Because, at some point in the future, they might get sick or have an accident, or get diabetes or have a breast lump. At that point, as soon as the new medical condition takes place, they are then labeled as having a pre-existing condition for the future.

If they have health insurance that's not through their job, their policy might quadruple the rates at the next annual enrollment period. But if they try to shop around other insurance companies for a better rate, they will find that most won't insure them at any price and the few that will insure them want $1400/month for 1 person for a basic policy.

This could be for someone that is 100% healthy but just had a breast lump that was biopsied and deemed benign. But the insurance companies think you are a higher risk going forward.
That is so true.

Before the ACA one of my friends got turned down by an insurer just because she got six sessions of couples counseling while going through a DIVORCE.

Insurers are getting away with armed robbery, and we are the hostages. I don't get why people don't understand that we need to restrict Insurance companies runaway profits.

Or just go single payer/ its a pretty simple concept actually.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I've said it before and I'll say again: we don't need health insurance. We need HEALTHCARE.

Why can't Trump BULLY the health insurance companies and put them in their place.

THREATEN them with single payer for everybody and see what they do.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The part she go wrong is that it will be Republicans running them.

If you’re one of the 52 million Americans with a pre-existing condition, right now, under the Affordable Care Act, you can get insurance, no questions asked. If the Republicans get their way, you can get insurance if you don’t ever go without it, but if you lapse, you’ll be charged more and you may get pushed into a high-risk pool where you’ll get charged a lot more for inadequate coverage. If you can afford it, good for you. If you can’t, you’re screwed. There will be people who can’t afford that coverage, who’ll go without it, and who won’t be able to get care at the moment they most desperately need it. We know, because there were so many who suffered that fate before the ACA was passed.

That’s the “better” system Republicans want to give you.

My dad was on 2 death panels, one 7 years ago and one 4 years ago. His terminal condition.... His age.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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The part she go wrong is that it will be Republicans running them.....
Of course you miss completely what Palin was referring to.

Under Obamacare, once you get past a certain age, they "cut off" access some medical care because the government expects you to die.

Be careful what you wish for. Even more so, find out what you are talking about before making comment about it.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I've said it before and I'll say again: we don't need health insurance. We need HEALTHCARE.

Why can't Trump BULLY the health insurance companies and put them in their place.

THREATEN them with single payer for everybody and see what they do.
We did, we got ObamaCare. But don't worry people prefer the ACA.. 'Obamacare' vs. 'Affordable Care Act': Why Words Matter | The Huffington Post
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Even though they are merely the same damn thing.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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I've said it before and I'll say again: we don't need health insurance. We need HEALTHCARE.

Why can't Trump BULLY the health insurance companies and put them in their place.

THREATEN them with single payer for everybody and see what they do.
Trump can't enact single payer. He can argue for it and sign it if it ever got to him but he can't do it.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Trump can't enact single payer. He can argue for it and sign it if it ever got to him but he can't do it.
Yeah the Republicans don't want it.
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