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Old 01-24-2017, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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False dichotomy, as I'm against both.

I'm for free trade between anyone on earth who wants to trade with each other. I'm also vehemently against one world government. I'm very much against protectionism and only doing business within your country as well. In fact, I'm against borders and countries in general.

Also, the anti-free marketers in here are buying into the Keynesian school of economics, which I very much oppose (Broken window fallacy anyone?).
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Old 01-24-2017, 01:06 PM
 
Location: USA
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Nationalist, America First and all that good stuff the Left wants you to feel guilty for!

I was proud of my country long before Obama's wife said it
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Old 01-24-2017, 01:06 PM
 
Location: USA
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What if I wanted one world government under our Constitution?
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Old 01-24-2017, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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What if I wanted one world government under our Constitution?
You'd at least be consistent..
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Old 01-24-2017, 01:09 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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If you're not a NATIONALIST, then it will not bother you one bit if all of your nation's cities became like Detroit.

Why should you care?
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Old 01-24-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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honestly what I think we have seen over the last 20 years is that neither of these approaches work out very well.


and I don't think Trump is purely a nationalist. He has stated over and over that the existing "deals" like NAFTA and TPP are bad because they aren't balanced. He has also stated that he believes that good "deals" can be mutually beneficial.


The fact is we have to have some kind of hybred approach that recognizes the national needs of the various nations involved, as well as the reality of an inter connected global economy.
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Old 01-24-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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Whether you realize it or not, you fall in one of the two camps. You are either a Patriot that puts America first or you are a Traitor that wants America to lose its sovereignty.
Dear Lord.
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Old 01-24-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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What do you call the Korean War, Vietnam, and Iraq? Globalists are always intervening in minor conflicts if not engaging in full scale conventional warfare. Nation building and exporting democracy are too darn expensive, especially considering the problems we have here. Globalism has destroyed places like Detroit. In my opinion, it is an act of treason to spend billions of dollars building up hostile nations when our fellow Americans are suffering. It is time to start investing here rather than dumping our money overseas.
Globalism has also produced cities like NYC, Miami, LA, San Francisco, Boston, Seattle, etc.

Pure nationalism and pure globalism are both awful.
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Old 01-24-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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Nationalist who wants to be relatively isolationist.
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Pretty much the same.


The same here as well...
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Old 01-24-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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Globalist.

History has shown, nationalism produces nothing but conflicts. We need less of that in this world of high tech, nuclear missiles, and the likes.
Liberté, égalité, fraternité?

That's hilarious. The Roman Empire about the time of Augustus was more or less considered "the world". Then it plunged into civil war. Even in Constantinople, at the height of the Eastern resurgence in the reign of Justinian , you had the Nika Riots .


Seems clear to me that nationalism with credible external threats is the most peaceful because people are not free to squabble among themselves. The US , at its zenith , is talking a lot more about breaking up while no such thing was contemplated during the cold war.


And ya might want to take a look at what happened in Scotland when it became part of the English sphere.

The Highland Clearances



At the time we feel very comfortable as a global people , it will be the precise moment people will feel contend to engage in civil war. Beyond that , what I know about bell curves is that I can only imagine the kind of sociopaths we will end up with at the top of such a pyramid.
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