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Knowing what we know about trump is it really the best idea to challenge him openly, I get it "f him" but there is no real upside other than future votes for those mayors, ignore him wait for the next shiny object to distract him.
Yeah, I don't think it is necessary to make a big deal of it, but I don't think most mayors are doing that.
"We don't have the money" should cover it just fine.
If the law changes, then, for instance, Seattle will have a serious (and probably quite vociferous!) public discussion about how to respond.
One of the interesting things about this is that it's usually conservatives who ***** about "unfunded mandates". One of the reasons why watching politics is so much fun - and why "politics makes strange bedfellows" is one of the truest things anyone ever said.
Actually they MAY be violating law when these communities have POLICY that instructs their local LEOs to NOT ask immigration status. This act alone, by having a policy prohibiting LEOs from asking a standard question of a suspect, might be criminal as it displays INTENT to protect suspected violators of federal law.
Cops don't go around asking random people if they are committing a crime, a police department had latitude on what their procedures are, not asking immigration status is not aiding anything by any definition of the word, then you get into if they ask one they ask everyone otherwise legal challenges will bankrupt the city, because people like me will file suit.
Is there a court case that would support this approach? Because I have to tell you, if you are going to arrest, try, and convict someone, all these "mays" and "mights" won't BEGIN to cut it.
The thing is, a typical mayor would have the financial and public support to not be railroaded. Unlike some arrestees.
I used the word MAY because it is a matter for prosecutors, and I am not one.
Yeah, I don't think it is necessary to make a big deal of it, but I don't think most mayors are doing that.
"We don't have the money" should cover it just fine.
If the law changes, then, for instance, Seattle will have a serious (and probably quite vociferous!) public discussion about how to respond.
One of the interesting things about this is that it's usually conservatives who ***** about "unfunded mandates". One of the reasons why watching politics is so much fun - and why "politics makes strange bedfellows" is one of the truest things anyone ever said.
In concrete terms what is it that the fed is asking the cities to do? Are they supposed to ask for legal status at every interaction with the public? It's very fuzzy to me, and the standard "enforce our immigration laws" it's vague and broad.
Mayors and other leaders take an oath to uphold the US and state constitutions. They can be impeached and prosecuted.
No they don't.
But something I've wanted to point out for a bit now. I see where it's possible Trump is playing people like he did with the voting issue.
Let's say local law enforcement can arrest those here illegally. OK so they get a few percent a year. This problem isn't even covering the replacement rate. Or even if he does a good job stopping people from coming it will take a 100 years (figuring that you will have to wait for many to just die off).
So does he make a big splash causing worthless arguments like abortion and the 2nd amendment while ignoring the bigger picture?
He could start enforcing the laws on hiring illegals tomorrow and make a far, far bigger impact. Will he? Before anyone starts, I've argued he has just become president and he can't do everything in a week.
You better watch him though if you really want the issue actually addressed.
Yeah, I don't think it is necessary to make a big deal of it, but I don't think most mayors are doing that.
"We don't have the money" should cover it just fine.
If the law changes, then, for instance, Seattle will have a serious (and probably quite vociferous!) public discussion about how to respond.
One of the interesting things about this is that it's usually conservatives who ***** about "unfunded mandates". One of the reasons why watching politics is so much fun - and why "politics makes strange bedfellows" is one of the truest things anyone ever said.
We don't have the money to ask a question of a suspect that has been lawfully detained based on reasonable articulable suspicion they had, are or are about to commit a crime; or arrested based on probable cause that they had, are or are about to commit a crime? Really? the city doesn't have the funds for an officer to ask a question?
In concrete terms what is it that the fed is asking the cities to do? Are they supposed to ask for legal status at every interaction with the public? It's very fuzzy to me, and the standard "enforce our immigration laws" it's vague and broad.
Like you, I'm not sure that they've ever been clear on it either.
My understanding is that they are supposed to ask for a green card or similar whenever they stop someone, notify ICE of any possible violations, and then hold the person for ICE to pick up, regardless of whether the detainee has done anything to otherwise warrant spending time in city jail. As you can see, this has the potential to be quite expensive.
Anyway, this is what the mayors tend to say they won't do unless they are reimbursed.
We don't have the money to ask a question of a suspect that has been lawfully detained based on reasonable articulable suspicion they had, are or are about to commit a crime; or arrested based on probable cause that they had, are or are about to commit a crime? Really? the city doesn't have the funds for an officer to ask a question?
Wow.
They don't have the money to ask if the suspect has committed mail fraud, aircraft hijacking, carjacking, kidnapping, bank robbery, child pornography, credit card fraud, identity theft or any other federal crimes either.
We don't have the money to ask a question of a suspect that has been lawfully detained based on reasonable articulable suspicion they had, are or are about to commit a crime; or arrested based on probable cause that they had, are or are about to commit a crime? Really? the city doesn't have the funds for an officer to ask a question?
Wow.
No, it's not expensive to ask a question.
It could be quite expensive to document what they've found, notify ICE, and hold people for ICE to pick up.
And we're not talking about just arrestees here. For instance, your city tickets you for parking in the wrong spot. Have you ever been asked to "show your papers" when you settle a parking ticket? What if you didn't have them, and had to spend the night in jail until you could prove you were a legal resident?
But something I've wanted to point out for a bit now. I see where it's possible Trump is playing people like he did with the voting issue.
Let's say local law enforcement can arrest those here illegally. OK so they get a few percent a year. This problem isn't even covering the replacement rate. Or even if he does a good job stopping people from coming it will take a 100 years (figuring that you will have to wait for many to just die off).
So does he make a big splash causing worthless arguments like abortion and the 2nd amendment while ignoring the bigger picture?
He could start enforcing the laws on hiring illegals tomorrow and make a far, far bigger impact. Will he? Before anyone starts, I've argued he has just become president and he can't do everything in a week.
You better watch him though if you really want the issue actually addressed.
Actually all publicly elected officials (and all military) in every State of the US are required to take an oath or affirmation to the US Constitution and their State Constitution.
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