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Old 01-31-2017, 01:10 AM
 
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The "end result" of what Bannon wants is autocratic rule over the American people. It's not like it's a secret; his demented point of view in this regard is fully documented. That's not an America most Americans could get behind. You are in effect finding excuses not to face the reality of who this man is, choosing instead to evade the question by resorting to vague speculation on what "Jarrett would seek."
We can agree to disagree. I don't see any evidence that Bannon wants an autocratic rule over the American people. He is on record as saying that he is an Economic Nationalist.

I think lots more Americans than you think will get behind that agenda.

Its the economy stupid......not directed at you personally.

In Maslow's heirarcy of needs, most people, including most Americans, care most about having their basic needs met.

That's what I care about most. That the basic needs of as many Americans as possible are met. Until that happens not much else matters.
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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George Washington's soldiers, who sometimes marched in the snow with no shoes and went without pay and sometimes food, would be so proud to know that a percentage of today's Americans want "to destroy" the government that many of them gave their lives to build. Anyone who is not scared out of their minds by the autocracy of Donald Trump, not to mention the fact that he is opening up our public lands to foreign purchase, is not living in the real world.
That government was destroyed a long long time ago. Todays "destroyers" want to dismantle what he have now and go back to that original government that they fought for.
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:09 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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I don't assume that he wants to literally burn the government down; of course it's a figurative statement. But he does want "to destroy" it, make no mistake about that. This isn't simply about "shaking up the establishment." This is about weakening democracy and instituting an autocracy in its place.

But again: Would Republicans have been okay if Valerie Jarrett had said this? Somehow I doubt that the same excuses/interpretation would be offered that is being offered here on Bannon's words.
Not a Bannon fan.

That having been said, there's a fallacy in the following: " This isn't simply about "shaking up the establishment." This is about weakening democracy and instituting an autocracy in its place."

Please define what 'weakening democracy' means to you. Giving power back to the people strengthens democracy.

Giving power back to the states strengthens democracy.

Autocracy is the FEDS taking over.
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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George Washington's soldiers, who sometimes marched in the snow with no shoes and went without pay and sometimes food, would be so proud to know that a percentage of today's Americans want "to destroy" the government that many of them gave their lives to build. Anyone who is not scared out of their minds by the autocracy of Donald Trump, not to mention the fact that he is opening up our public lands to foreign purchase, is not living in the real world.
This isn't the government they were fighting for, this is the government they were fighting against. We didn't fight a revolutionary war to replace British tyranny with our own tyranny.
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It's not "theatrics." Steve Bannon has spent many, many years as a conspiracy theorist, whipping up racial and economic antipathy. He is a destroyer; he enjoys chaos and the autocratic wielding of power. A dangerous man.
Your entire diatribe is theatrics fitting for only the tabloids. You never once mentioned policy. It's always about policy.
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Hartford County, CT
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Obama: Zero evidence of him ever being a Communist, surrounding himself with other Americans who dare have different opinions than the right-wingers = Right-Wing: HE'S A COMMUNIST

Bannon: “I’m a Leninist” = Right-Wing: HE'S A PATRIOT WHOSE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

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Old 01-31-2017, 06:09 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Obama: Zero evidence of him ever being a Communist, surrounding himself with other Americans who dare have different opinions than the right-wingers = Right-Wing: HE'S A COMMUNIST

Bannon: “I’m a Leninist” = Right-Wing: HE'S A PATRIOT WHOSE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Surely you jest.
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Nesconset, NY
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Destroying todays establishment and reinventing it is not necessarily a bad thing.

I think the mistake you are making like many is in taking his words literally rather than figuratively.

There is much to dislike about the current establishment and status quo.

I think there are many Americans who are fine with shaking up the establishment.
During the Presidential Campaign the press took the rhetoric literally but not seriously; Trump supporters took the rhetoric seriously but not literally.

The real mistake is that both perspectives are having a hard time believing they should take the rhetoric both literally and seriously.
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:15 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I think Bannon enjoys being a controversial figure.

Don't let the theatrics distract you. Trump and his team know that showmanship is effective.
Certainly the media enjoys growing bannon's controversy as they ignore his qualifications. wiki says.....


"Bannon was an officer in the United States Navy for seven years in the late 1970s and early 1980s, serving on the destroyer USS Paul F. Foster as a Surface Warfare Officer in the Pacific Fleet and stateside as a special assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations at the Pentagon.[SIZE=2][33][/SIZE]"
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:23 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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During the Presidential Campaign the press took the rhetoric literally but not seriously; Trump supporters took the rhetoric seriously but not literally.

The real mistake is that both perspectives are having a hard time believing they should take the rhetoric both literally and seriously.
All political speak is to be taken lightly, with generous dose of the proverbial 'grains of salt'. The press tried to build the case against Trump by zeroing in on his words. It didn't work, but they are still using that technique.

Just as Obama promised "hope and change", Trump promised the same, except that the changes he offered were more clearly stated to a populace that was sick of being taken advantage of.

"I'm with her" and "forward" don't say anything. Truly empty promises.

Political promises are not easy to implement, especially if they present a huge change. We need to remember that no matter what they promise, they're appealing to our hopes and dreams, which are not realized overnight.
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