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Old 02-08-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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Go on, scream into the wind how biology isn't faaaaiiiiirrrrr.
Pretty much summarizes this whole thread lol.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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im well aware that men do not carry the child.

if a woman can choose to abort against the man's wishes, why is a man held responsible for child support if he doesn't want the child but the woman does?
Because laws have determined that the two people who biologically produced the child have a legal and financial obligation to it.


Yes, women have more control in this situation. It's a matter of biology, it's really not that hard to understand (one would have thought, anyway.....)
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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And how exactly can someone have an "equal" say in what another person does with her body? In practice, how does this work?
It is not an "equal say in what another person does with her body."


It is an equal say in the life or death of the human being someone has an equal contribution in creating.


Abortion is not about the woman, it is about the unborn human being. The woman had her say about her body, when she engaged in sexual intercourse that resulted in the existence of another human being. At that point, she is not having a say about "her body." She is having a say about another life that exists and she is taking away the rights of two other human beings to keep her from murdering one of those human beings.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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im well aware that men do not carry the child.

if a woman can choose to abort against the man's wishes, why is a man held responsible for child support if he doesn't want the child but the woman does?
Life is not always "fair," buttercup. Blame God for the biology that creates that reality.

But if a man impregnates a woman and that results in a child, he, and not the rest of us, must then be responsible for its support. That's how it works. You right wingers are always telling women to keep their legs shut if they don't want to get pregnant. Maybe it follows that you should keep it in your pants if you don't want to be responsible for the life you might create.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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Sorry you don't get to force a woman to be an incubator against her will. Sucks to be you!
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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im well aware that men do not carry the child.

if a woman can choose to abort against the man's wishes, why is a man held responsible for child support if he doesn't want the child but the woman does?
He had a choice not to get her pregnant, and as a father he has a right to petition the court for 50% custody.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:30 PM
 
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It is not an "equal say in what another person does with her body."


It is an equal say in the life or death of the human being someone has an equal contribution in creating.


Abortion is not about the woman, it is about the unborn human being. The woman had her say about her body, when she engaged in sexual intercourse that resulted in the existence of another human being. At that point, she is not having a say about "her body." She is having a say about another life that exists and she is taking away the rights of two other human beings to keep her from murdering one of those human beings.


If only women faced with unwanted pregnancies gave a sh*t about what random men on the internet thought about her decision to safely and legally terminate....
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:33 PM
 
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im well aware that men do not carry the child.

if a woman can choose to abort against the man's wishes, why is a man held responsible for child support if he doesn't want the child but the woman does?
It's not fair. Which is why men and women should endeavor to be as responsible as possible when engaging in sex. If a man doesn't want children, doesn't want to risk STD's, doesn't want to pass on STD's, USE CONDOMS. And if a woman doesn't want children, doesn't want to risk STD's, doesn't want to pass on STD's, USE CONDOMS and another form of birth control, because no form of birth control is 100%, but using multiple forms of birth control gets you close to 100%.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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It's choice a man can't make due to biology. His only choice is whether to engage in sexual intercourse or not.
Is it your assertion that women are incapable of making that same choice?

Don't want to get pregnant? Don't engage in activities that result in such.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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are you going to pay 18 years of child support for a child you never see? are you willing to sacrifice your lifestyle?

No?

Then you have nothing of value to say here.
Yet, people with your beliefs, expect women to carry a pregnancy for nine months, give birth, risk their health and lives and then give the child up for adoption.


Why are women expected to make sacrifices for nothing in return but not men?
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