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Old 02-06-2017, 08:32 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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The five states with the most deaths per 100,000 were West Virginia, libertarian New Hampshire, Kentucky, Ohio, and Rhode Island. Rhode Island is the only one of the bunch that is Democratic.

Spin, spin, spin.
There you go making this political. The 5 states with the MOST deaths are mostly liberal democrat states. CALIFORNIA, Illinois, new York all have over 1,000 dead from opiod drugs. You claim all those votes matter so why don't all the deaths? TOTAL number of deaths are highest in liberal states. Just like murders in Chicago. Total number.

If you want to shine a light on the problem, where are Americans dying most? Big cities. Big cities run by democrats. California has almost 5,000 traffic deaths each year. Huge problem.

Opioid overdose deaths by state
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Old 02-06-2017, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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There you go making this political. The 5 states with the MOST deaths are mostly liberal democrat states. CALIFORNIA, Illinois, new York all have over 1,000 dead from opiod drugs. You claim all those votes matter so why don't all the deaths? TOTAL number of deaths are highest in liberal states. Just like murders in Chicago. Total number.

If you want to shine a light on the problem, where are Americans dying most? Big cities. Big cities run by democrats. California has almost 5,000 traffic deaths each year. Huge problem.

Opioid overdose deaths by state
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Here is how many total opioid overdose deaths each state and Washington D.C., recorded in 2014, in descending order.

1. Ohio — 2,106
2. California — 2,024
3. New York — 1,739
4. Florida— 1,399
5. Illinois — 1,205
6. Texas — 1,151
7. Massachusetts — 1,140
8. Pennsylvania — 1,092
9. Michigan — 1,052
10. North Carolina — 967
11. Maryland — 921
12. Tennessee — 863
13. Virginia — 758
14. Kentucky — 729
15. New Jersey — 728
16. Georgia — 710
17. Missouri — 696
18. Washington — 673
19. Wisconsin — 627
20. Arizona — 589
21. West Virginia — 554
22. Connecticut — 525
23. Colorado — 517
24. South Carolina — 515
25. Oklahoma — 502
26. Indiana — 462

So,
California has 39 million people and 2,000 deaths.

Ohio+Indiana+Kentucky+West VA=24 million people and 3,850 deaths.
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Old 02-06-2017, 08:51 PM
 
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Build a wall around those states please.

Just step into one of those old telephone booths. We'll do the rest.
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Old 02-06-2017, 08:59 PM
 
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Well you try living in these conservative ****holes without doing meth, coke or crack cocaine!

Hey, you're out of line. Lots of intelligent voters from each of these states did not support Trump-o in any way, shape, or form. 1,000 people rallied in downtown Lexington, KY just yesterday in opposition to Trump and his policies (which do not deserve to be dignified by calling them "policies"). Previously last week, over 500 Lexingtonians, a capacity crowd, met at a local church to learn more about the refugee crisis from city leaders.. Similar rallies have been held in Louisville, Berea, northern Kentucky and elsewhere in our commonwealth. We're just warming up.

My town is blue and beautiful. My state is beautiful as well, but fell victim to outside interests and out of state ownership of natural resources long ago. Eastern Kentucky is a beautiful but sadly damaged place as a result of this history and what came after.

Many eastern Kentuckians bought Trump's line about caring for them and bringing coal back. No sign of it anywhere yet, and we're not going to see it. Eventually they'll either figure it out - or find some way to blame the Democrats for Trump's broken promises yet again.

Do come visit, though. You'd enjoy yourself - and learn quite a lot. You'd be surprised.

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Old 02-06-2017, 09:08 PM
 
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As for the current state of the drug crisis, it's all about opiates right now, as meth is harder to make, or rather, its ingredients are harder to come by. Heroin, especially heroin cut with even more powerful drugs, some literally intended to anesthetize elephants (not making this up), is far more of a problem, and much of it has accelerated within the last six months or so.

Many addicts are young, and white. Kids from "good" families are using. This is transcending anything we've experienced before, and it's not just about availability or drugs of choice. The sickness is deeper, and it's a sickness of the soul, as users find anesthetizing themselves preferable to living in reality. Address that - and you've addressed most of the problem.

Meanwhile some of those same young people from "good" families are doing anything for their next fix, and many of them are courting and sometimes winning death to do it. Burglaries and robberies are up. There are more youngish panhandlers around. Petty crime is up. Attempted and successful break-ins are more frequent. Impaired drivers abound. Kids are neglected and abused. Grandparents raise second families, not by choice. Detox and treatment centers are overwhelmed.

Building the wall won't work. The addicts and users will just move on to whatever else they can find, and as long as that market is there, the drugs will also be present. Address the addiction and what drives it, don't try to fence it out or in. It doesn't work.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:09 PM
 
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LOL. Let's see how this works....

Obama 8 years. Trump 2 weeks.

And Trump is responsible for the Opioid crisis in the US ? Doesn't make sense to me.

Montclair.. Your a Berkeley grad right? Learn to spell in your Titles. It makes you look bad. Just in case you don't know what an Opioid is.....

What Are Opioids? List of Opioids - Opioid Drugs & Medications - Drug-Free World
The op didn't say Trump was responsible. They were suggesting that he stop twittering all night and focus on the rust belt and the opioid epidemic there. And you are the one who looks bad when you can't even read a post so why are you criticizing the op. And if the op lives in the rust belt then you can better believe they know exactly what opioids are. You don't even have to live there to know this.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Montclair.. Your a Berkeley grad right? Learn to spell in your Titles. It makes you look bad. Just in case you don't know what an Opioid is.....
"You're", not "your".
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:23 PM
 
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The problem is not so much opioids as the deadly synthetics, fentanyl, 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl

and carfentanil, 10,000 times more potent than morphine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil

Your beautiful wall will do nothing to stop these drugs....They are a problem world wide.

Vancouver morgues have reached a point where they are “frequently full”, forcing health authorities to store bodies at funeral homes. The B.C. Coroners Service made that admission in response to an inquiry by the Straight about unprecedented numbers of overdoses linked to fentanyl and other drugs.

Overdose deaths involving fentanyl fill Vancouver morgues to capacity | Georgia Straight Vancouver's News & Entertainment Weekly
^^^ Finally, some realism. The drug crisis is tragic in uncountable ways, and politicizing it - by either side - does nothing to help.

If I thought a wall would help, I'd be all for it. But it won't. If I thought more jails would help, or more countermeasure drugs would convince users to cease their using, I'd say have at them. But none of these are permanent solutions. They do nothing to address the reasons underlying drug use leading to addiction.

Users set out to get high, to escape - they don't set out to become drug addicts. Address that urge to get high, to escape, to find relief or release from whatever it is that is so painful or unsatisfactory or so lacking in their everyday lives that they risk their health, their lives, and all they hold dear for another hit. Figure out what's driving that and how to fix it, and you've solved the drug crisis.

No, I don't have very good answers, either. Obviously there need to be more detox and rehab facilities at present and there needs to be more education. But get the addicts physically straight and dry out their brains, and them ask them "why".

Some won't have a clue - but others may. Listen to what they tell you. Talk to friends and family as well, and see what they report. A wall would be a huge waste of resources and time. It's an easy answer to a hard question, and it's the wrong answer.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:27 PM
 
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Most of these states have had their opioid use decline lately. If you think that it rising, you're using outdated data.
This is not true. It is a growing crisis. I am very close to someone on the "front lines" of this crisis, in those states. Just 2 weeks ago he was telling me that government intervention and reporting cannot keep up with the rapid increase in opioid addiction in parts of the Midwest.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:28 PM
 
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This is the dirty work that Donald Trump should be engaged in trying to fix instead of late night twittering like a b*tch.

Ohio, Indiana( wtf Pence?), Kentucky and West Virgina-all states he won. Forget Russia, focus on the Rust Belt.

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The flood of overdoses has left police and emergency workers exhausted and, at times, overwhelmed.

"We have never seen anything like this before to this magnitude," Gordon Merry, Emergency Management Service director for Cabell County, told Fox News

Heroin overdoses overwhelm Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia - Business Insider

Gtfoh with this nonsense.
You can add Illinois in there.
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