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Old 02-08-2017, 02:54 AM
 
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This is something that drug warriors just can't face up to....the whole idea of eradicating drugs is so stupid that i can't understand why people still believe in it.

This quote from the link is so spot - on...

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This heavy-handed approach to drugs did little to diminish the drug supply and demand in Colombia, much less in markets like Western Europe and the United States. In fact, drugs such as cocaine and heroin are as accessible as ever from Bogotá to New York to Manila.

The war on drugs is essentially a war on people. But old habits die hard. Many countries are still addicted to waging this war. As Colombia’s current president, Juan Manuel Santos, said, “We are still thinking within the same framework as we have done for the last 40 years.” Fortunately, more and more governments also concede that a new approach is needed, one that strips out the profits that accompany drug sales while ensuring the basic human rights and public health of all citizens.
I've often wondered why South American countries won't just call off the war and legalize dope...then tell the United States to stuff it, since the U.S. is the main nation pushing these countries into this fruitless war.

In any case, this advice is what he's trying to convey to President Duterte of the Philippines. Doubt he'll listen though. He's too invested.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/opini...kes/ar-AAmHQMV
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Old 02-08-2017, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Colombia's ex-president advises that Drug War is nothing but a failure.
Right. Things were so nice and peaceful when they allowed Pablo Escobar terrorize the nation.
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Old 02-08-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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Right. Things were so nice and peaceful when they allowed Pablo Escobar terrorize the nation.
They aren't peaceful now either. What good did it do to launch a war against Escobar? None.

They still produce ship loads of coke. Only now, they use Mexico to get it into the United States and now Mexico is a mess.

Come on Finn....you know better. This thing is a failure.
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Old 02-08-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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They aren't peaceful now either. What good did it do to launch a war against Escobar? None.

They still produce ship loads of coke. Only now, they use Mexico to get it into the United States and now Mexico is a mess.

Come on Finn....you know better. This thing is a failure.
Did you visit Miami, or read the news about Miami in 1980s? It was the murder capital of the US. Cubans and Colombians turned the place into a war zone. The sound of automatic gunfire was commonplace.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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Did you visit Miami, or read the news about Miami in 1980s? It was the murder capital of the US. Cubans and Colombians turned the place into a war zone. The sound of automatic gunfire was commonplace.
Yeah...I'm well aware.

But again, that's because the stuff is illegal, which runs up the price. People will always kill for profit.

All the Colombians did was transfer the worst of their violence to Mexico....but they haven't stopped growing one gram of coke less than before.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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Yeah...I'm well aware.

But again, that's because the stuff is illegal, which runs up the price. People will always kill for profit.

All the Colombians did was transfer the worst of their violence to Mexico....but they haven't stopped growing one gram of coke less than before.
So you want to legalize cocaine and heroin in US, and have American companies purchase it from the cartels in Colombia? Or you want to force Colombia to legalize it too so we would not have to trade with murderers?
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:06 PM
 
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Whether the drug war was a success depends on what one thought the object of it was in the first place.

Putting that aside, I am close friends with a Colombian family, and they tell me that many Colombians resent Americans -- first by creating the market for drugs, and then by pressuring Colombia and other Latin American nations to fight a supply-side war that devastated lives in their country. The kicker is that the U.S. is now on the path to legalization of MJ, and maybe more eventually, so they feel that Colombian lives were wasted.

I'm not in agreement with putting all the blame on the U.S -- Escobar and other dealers making money were Colombian, and the Colombian people certainly created a personality cult around them -- but I think that is a common sentiment among Colombians.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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Right. Things were so nice and peaceful when they allowed Pablo Escobar terrorize the nation.
How many alcohol dealers you see terrorizing the nation?

Do you understand what you just said??
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:08 PM
 
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Did you visit Miami, or read the news about Miami in 1980s? It was the murder capital of the US. Cubans and Colombians turned the place into a war zone. The sound of automatic gunfire was commonplace.
You remember Chicago in the 30's??
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Old 02-08-2017, 01:17 PM
 
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So you want to legalize cocaine and heroin in US, and have American companies purchase it from the cartels in Colombia? Or you want to force Colombia to legalize it too so we would not have to trade with murderers?
Yes. Everyone should legalize it...or at least decriminalize it.
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