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Old 02-21-2017, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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This is a serious question. Considering conservatives are against minimum wage, against redistribution of wealth, against the commons (i.e. publicly funded things like police, schools, fire, etc), against unions, against healthcare. Really, what are they 'for'? And don't use the old personal responsibility line, because that isn't the question.

 
Old 02-21-2017, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Why don't conservatives want anybody to have anything?
Why do people ask stupid questions here?
 
Old 02-21-2017, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Why do people ask stupid questions here?
Read the post, the question I wasn't sure how to word.
 
Old 02-21-2017, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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This is a serious question. Considering conservatives are against minimum wage, against redistribution of wealth, against the commons (i.e. publicly funded things like police, schools, fire, etc), against unions, against healthcare. Really, what are they 'for'? And don't use the old personal responsibility line, because that isn't the question.
I am against the government stealing from one group of people and giving it to another....

Why aren't you?
 
Old 02-21-2017, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I am against the government stealing from one group of people and giving it to another....

Why aren't you?
I'm not against it because I believe in a certain level of redistribution. Not totally communistic, but enough to at least get people educated and get them healthcare, which helps society as a whole.
 
Old 02-21-2017, 06:07 PM
 
Location: So California
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This is a serious question. Considering conservatives are against minimum wage, against redistribution of wealth, against the commons (i.e. publicly funded things like police, schools, fire, etc), against unions, against healthcare. Really, what are they 'for'? And don't use the old personal responsibility line, because that isn't the question.


Minimum Wage. The problem conservatives have with it, is that there is a balance that liberals don't get. You cannot arbitrarily raise the wage just because it feels good. These are entry level jobs and the rise to 15 which is completely arbitrary will affect everyone because do you think the apprentice electrician who is now making 15 will be happy that the no skill laborer is making 15. It will trickle up quickly. Then you will have employers offering few jobs and what has been a right of passage for teenagers will dry up.


Redistribution of wealth is inherently unfair. Right now the top 50% of wager earners pay ALL of the income taxes in the US. Right now. So lets be honest and say you just want them to pay more, not their fair share which they already do.


Commons - Are fine, just not when the beauracracies get out of hand and the costs don't equal output.


Unions - become corrupt very quickly and almost universally. Would you be surprised to know that in California the teachers union spends more on lobbying than oil, health and high tech....combined!


Healthcare - is important obviously but conservatives do not see it as a right. Meaning you don't have the right to someone elses services without pay. We are all for excellent healthcare, but not the socialized kind.
 
Old 02-21-2017, 06:07 PM
 
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. Really, what are they 'for'? .

Earn your keep.
 
Old 02-21-2017, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Read the post, the question I wasn't sure how to word.
I read the post. It assumes a lot of false premises which I won't waste my time trying to un-pack.
 
Old 02-21-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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I'm not against it because I believe in a certain level of redistribution. Not totally communistic, but enough to at least get people educated and get them healthcare, which helps society as a whole.
Isn't that a shared responsibility, why is it up to someone else to provide that... it's not communistic because EVERYONE would have to support it equally and that is why you don't like it... you like it to be unequal... most people are oppose to being unfair... with threats of jail and fines for not complying with demands... people have public education and Medicaid... you are asking for more and the smart people know it's never enough for people like you...
 
Old 02-21-2017, 06:11 PM
 
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I'm not against it because I believe in a certain level of redistribution. Not totally communistic, but enough to at least get people educated and get them healthcare, which helps society as a whole.
Redistribute YOUR money all you want. Don't tell me what to do with MINE.
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