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Old 03-10-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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So much for healthcare for all...

"A new analysis by Nate Cohn of the Upshot confirms that Trump supporters may have the most to lose from the GOP plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. This chart summarizes its key finding, which is that those groups that stand to lose the most in subsidies to pay for health coverage on the individual market backed Trump

.... the GOP plan, which replaces Obamacare’s subsidies with a tax credit scheme, ends up offering less financial assistance to older, lower-income Americans, particularly in rural areas where premiums are higher — groups that tended to support Trump. On top of that, the plan would permit for higher premiums on older Americans (which is one reason AARP opposes it)."

With the decrease in financial assistance, when you have to pick between feeding your family (not an iphone!) OR healthcare, which do you think people will pick?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.aa23d7e63896

Waiting to hear cries of fake news, skewed reports, etc.
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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A couple of sayings come to mind when I think of the Trump supporters who voted for Trump. One is, "Shoot yourself in the foot" and the other is "You better watch what you wish for."

A lot of them are going to be rudely awakened when the Trump train gets into high gear, and their own lives are affected negatively. They will poo poo that statement, but we will soon find out.
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:00 PM
 
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Is that why Trump doesn't want it called Trumpcare? 'Cus he knows deep down that this plan is going to be a disaster?

Considering how much he loves to slap his name on everyting, it's a telling sign when he doesn't want his name on this plan.... rolleyes:
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:21 PM
 
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So much for healthcare for all...

"A new analysis by Nate Cohn of the Upshot confirms that Trump supporters may have the most to lose from the GOP plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. This chart summarizes its key finding, which is that those groups that stand to lose the most in subsidies to pay for health coverage on the individual market backed Trump

.... the GOP plan, which replaces Obamacare’s subsidies with a tax credit scheme, ends up offering less financial assistance to older, lower-income Americans, particularly in rural areas where premiums are higher — groups that tended to support Trump. On top of that, the plan would permit for higher premiums on older Americans (which is one reason AARP opposes it)."

With the decrease in financial assistance, when you have to pick between feeding your family (not an iphone!) OR healthcare, which do you think people will pick?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.aa23d7e63896

Waiting to hear cries of fake news, skewed reports, etc.
What's funny is you pretend you care. Why even pretend to care what rural Americans get out of the deal? Do you think they'll suddenly vote for your BS platform?
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:24 PM
 
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What's funny is you pretend you care. Why even pretend to care what rural Americans get out of the deal? Do you think they'll suddenly vote for your BS platform?
They just voted for BS.
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:34 PM
 
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What's funny is you pretend you care. Why even pretend to care what rural Americans get out of the deal? Do you think they'll suddenly vote for your BS platform?
two ways of looking at it Ziggy.

1 they continue to support populists like Trump and we can bask in the knowledge that they are hurting themselves much more than they are hurting the left.

2 They learn a hard lesson and either retreat from supporting the right, or shift back to the left.


either one works for me, I feel sorry for their kids, but the adults chose to vote for Trump. Now they can enjoy the fruits. Lower pay, higher taxes, no healthcare and the never ending brain drain. That is what your guys voted for, and that is what you get.


Many of us blue state people are fine. Our states are busy knocking back his bs, and will continue to do so. Maybe we will lose some battles but we will win many of them.
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Old 03-10-2017, 07:50 PM
 
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What's funny is you pretend you care. Why even pretend to care what rural Americans get out of the deal? Do you think they'll suddenly vote for your BS platform?
Did I touch on a nerve here? Are you one of those who voted for Trump and will find yourself unable to afford insurance soon? Tsk..

I really don't give a hoot about the Trumpsters who voted for the orange buffoon into office and are now reaping what they are sowing... Like evilcart, I too live in a blue donor state and also get free insurance.

Hopefully, the reports in the article will expose the hypocrisy of what Trump is doing and get folks to contact their reps in Congress to demand better!
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Old 03-10-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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The CBO report is going to be so bad, they are already pre-emptively trying to label it as fake news before its even seen.

What a cluster.
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Old 03-10-2017, 08:23 PM
 
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Let's see, do I care right now? Nope. All out of empathy today, sorry.
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Old 03-10-2017, 08:24 PM
 
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two ways of looking at it Ziggy.

1 they continue to support populists like Trump and we can bask in the knowledge that they are hurting themselves much more than they are hurting the left.

2 They learn a hard lesson and either retreat from supporting the right, or shift back to the left.


either one works for me, I feel sorry for their kids, but the adults chose to vote for Trump. Now they can enjoy the fruits. Lower pay, higher taxes, no healthcare and the never ending brain drain. That is what your guys voted for, and that is what you get.


Many of us blue state people are fine. Our states are busy knocking back his bs, and will continue to do so. Maybe we will lose some battles but we will win many of them.
I agree with most of your post but...
PLEASE---
Don't call Trump a "populist"...
Trump is no more a populist than Calvin Coolidge was...
Trump is an egoist and only cares about himself...
He is out to rape this country and the world and get as much wealth and power as he can...
A populist genuinely cares about the needs of the people---ergo the term...and stand with them against big business and the wealthy who run the country and generally make the rules to suit themselves...

The fact that Trump was able to scam the working poor, blue collar voters in states where the economy is struggling and capture the racist south doesn't mean he is a populist...
Teddy Roosevelt was a populist---
Teddy Roosevelt was one of our first environmentally-conscious presidents and Trump only wants to make money by wrecking our eco system and doesn't even believe in science
Trump is no Teddy Roosevelt who was a true patriot, who spoke truth to power and paid the price...
Trump couldn't speak the truth if his life depended on it and wants to BE the power...
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