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Old 03-30-2017, 12:22 PM
 
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A few weeks ago McMaster fired Cohen-Watnick who was hired by Flynn but Bannon and Kushner went to Trump and got the decision reversed. Trump steps in to keep 30-year-old NSC aide - POLITICO
Interesting ... a (tried-to-be) fired Flynn hire and a former Nunes employee. Per the ongoing press conference, a "few hours ago" the WH sent letters to the House and Senate Intel chairmen and ranking members inviting them to view NSC documents.

Wonder if the timing of that letter is connected to the NYT story? And whether Nunes' bumbling forced their hand?

 
Old 03-30-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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Nunes is in deep trouble now. He got the documents from the NSC and Michael Ellis and the intel reports show that Trump was not surveilled, foreign agents were and mentioned his and his staff's name.

This is massive obstruction of justice, and the NSC guy was an aide for Flynn who McMaster wanted removed from the NSC, but Trump demanded he stay on.
 
Old 03-30-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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So do I have this right? Nunes gets briefed by two White House staffers about whatever, then goes to the White House to tell them what they told him in the first place? This can't be. Even Spicer said that was nuts a couple days ago.
 
Old 03-30-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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Nunes is in deep trouble now. He got the documents from the NSC and Michael Ellis and the intel reports show that Trump was not surveilled, foreign agents were and mentioned his and his staff's name.

This is massive obstruction of justice, and the NSC guy was an aide for Flynn who McMaster wanted removed from the NSC, but Trump demanded he stay on.
Good grief.
 
Old 03-30-2017, 12:39 PM
 
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So do I have this right? Nunes gets briefed by two White House staffers about whatever, then goes to the White House to tell them what they told him in the first place? This can't be. Even Spicer said that was nuts a couple days ago.
Reporters at the ongoing press conference noticed that little detail and fed back to Spicer his previous comment that the story "didn't pass the smell test." Spicer spun it away, saying something about context. He's refusing to officially confirm the NYT story but isn't pushing back too much.
 
Old 03-30-2017, 12:42 PM
 
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So do I have this right? Nunes gets briefed by two White House staffers about whatever, then goes to the White House to tell them what they told him in the first place? This can't be. Even Spicer said that was nuts a couple days ago.
It makes perfect sense, there is no way in the world the WH would have admitted that this 30 year old fired and rehired staffer had been poring day and night over intell data to find something they could use to at least in some way legitimize Trump's 'wiretap' claims, so they set up Nunes. Called him told him 'come look what we found' and probably never told them that POTUS already knew it, so dummy Nunes goes marching into Trump's office to break the news and then at some point probably realized he had been duped into playing that role which would explain his nervousness and discomfort in press conferences
 
Old 03-30-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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So do I have this right? Nunes gets briefed by two White House staffers about whatever, then goes to the White House to tell them what they told him in the first place? This can't be. Even Spicer said that was nuts a couple days ago.
Does it look better/more believable if the White House says "I'm right! I found evidence!" or is it more believable to say "look what this independent investigation found! They found evidence!"

Particularly when the evidence he found wasn't particularly relevant to what the WH was trying to defuse (Obama wiretapping claims). That's probably why Nunes didn't show it to the committee (committee would disclose that it doesn't vindicate Trump in any way) and instead, he had to bring it back to the Whitehouse so Trump can claim that it does.

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Old 03-30-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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Per CNN from the Senate Intel hearings - that unlike the House are actually working:
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Russian operatives have even been active in US politics through this week, driving a wedge between Republicans after the fallout from the health care bill failure, said Clinton Watts, a senior fellow at the Center for Cyber and Homeland Security at George Washington University. ... "This past week we observed social media campaigns targeting speaker of the House Paul Ryan hoping to foment further unrest amongst US democratic institutions," Watts told senators. ... Russians had also targeted politicians, even those -- including Sen. Marco Rubio -- who sat on the intelligence panel.
At today's press conference, Spicer kept going on about the "substance" of the mysterious NSC documents telling reporters not to "worry" about which door Nunes went in and out of.

Good grief is right! What about the SUBSTANCE, the reason for the underlying surveillance or counter-intelligence?

That Trump (1) has some messy business dealings OR (2) some shady associates AND (3) can't keep his fat fingers away from Twitter shouldn't be allowed to distract from the underlying issue.

And HE accuses Democrats of playing politics. Give me a break.
 
Old 03-30-2017, 01:57 PM
 
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It makes perfect sense, there is no way in the world the WH would have admitted that this 30 year old fired and rehired staffer had been poring day and night over intell data to find something they could use to at least in some way legitimize Trump's 'wiretap' claims, so they set up Nunes. Called him told him 'come look what we found' and probably never told them that POTUS already knew it, so dummy Nunes goes marching into Trump's office to break the news and then at some point probably realized he had been duped into playing that role which would explain his nervousness and discomfort in press conferences
That fits
And the idea that the WH counsel office is involved just reeks of collusion and really bad judgement
 
Old 03-30-2017, 02:01 PM
 
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Does it look better/more believable if the White House says "I'm right! I found evidence!" or is it more believable to say "look what this independent investigation found! They found evidence!"

Particularly when the evidence he found wasn't particularly relevant to what the WH was trying to defuse (Obama wiretapping claims). That's probably why Nunes didn't show it to the committee (committee would disclose that it doesn't vindicate Trump in any way) and instead, he had to bring it back to the Whitehouse so Trump can claim that it does.
These people are so arrogant and rooted in hubris that they will destroy anything to prevent their unmasking as evil, as corrupt, and UN-American
I just cant reiterate that last idea too much
What Trump, Bannon, et al are involved in doing are just obscenely
UnAmerican...
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