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Old 03-23-2017, 02:31 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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oh please you know exactly what i meant, you are not dumb not need to play it.
And i would add your claim you know better than an 8-0 ruling, is simply childish. Nobody here is buying your libertarian hate fest.
Since when is Constitutionality a "hate fest?" Should we "hate" the fact that the 14th Amendment gave the Black progeny of slaves birthright US Citizenship? Should we "hate" the fact that the 1st Amendment protects the right to free speech? Should we "hate" the fact that the 4th Amendment protects us from unreasonable searches and seizures? Really. The US Constitution = hate in your mind? How very, very sad for you.

One other thing... Does the Constitution's equal protections clause exist? Or does it not?
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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Since when is Constitutionality a "hate fest?" Should we "hate" the fact that the 14th Amendment gave the Black progeny of slaves birthright US Citizenship? Should we "hate" the fact that the 1st Amendment protects the right to free speech? Should we "hate" the fact that the 4th Amendment protects us from unreasonable searches and seizures? Really. The US Constitution = hate in your mind? How very, very sad for you.

One other thing... Does the Constitution's equal protections clause exist? Or does it not?


each time you are proved completely wrong by one poster after another you run to wrap yourself in constitutional rhetoric. It is NOT working. Your libertarian agenda continues to show through

We have shown exactly WHY you are wrong, but you ignore it post after post and continue to conflate in order to obfusticate .

Maybe that works in your local tavern but nobody buys it here matey.
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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each time you are proved completely wrong by one poster after another you run to wrap yourself in constitutional rhetoric. It is NOT working. Your libertarian agenda continues to show through
There is no Libertarian agenda here.
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:10 PM
 
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each time you are proved completely wrong by one poster after another
"Wrong?" That's an interesting assertion. How is the Constitution "wrong?"

The 1st Amendment. "Wrong?"

The 4th Amendment. "Wrong?"

The 14th Amendment. "Wrong?"

The equal protections clause. "Wrong?"

Which of those are "wrong?" Or, in your mind, are they ALL "wrong?"
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Old 03-24-2017, 01:11 AM
 
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You haven't answered my question about what we, as a society, should do with them.
Yes, I have.

We should do nothing.

Paying for their education is a waste of resources -- they can cost a million a year per student and even more.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:25 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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As a mother of an adult son with DD, they can make a lot of rules and that sound good, but actually seeing them accomplished is next to impossible. Also, sadly with special education, "English As A Second Language", being a part of the Special Education budget, took so much of the funding, that my son's could not be meant because of finances. It is always about priorities and financing.
My daughter is a Special Ed. teacher in Arizona. We have English immersion here. She cannot utter a word of Spanish in her classroom.

You need to move to a different state where they have different priorities and more money. I understand KS governor cut a lot of taxes and now education is suffering. Am I mistaken?

I've spent time in KS and it appears it's all about Overland Park and certain parts of KC.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:50 AM
 
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"Wrong?" That's an interesting assertion. How is the Constitution "wrong?"

The 1st Amendment. "Wrong?"

The 4th Amendment. "Wrong?"

The 14th Amendment. "Wrong?"

The equal protections clause. "Wrong?"

Which of those are "wrong?" Or, in your mind, are they ALL "wrong?"
Those are all in the Bill of Rights, not in the original constitution.

You appear to enjoy passing down judicial decisions. However, you are not an attorney. Repeating "equal protections clause" over and over doesn't make you one either.

I encourage you to attend law school, pass the bar and then, get back to us.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:11 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Yes, I have.

We should do nothing.

Paying for their education is a waste of resources -- they can cost a million a year per student and even more.
Evidence, please?
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:32 AM
 
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Evidence, please?
Well, there is certainly evidence that is cheaper to pay for school than to pay for people their whole lives! Keep in mind that when a person turns 18, their parents aren't legally obligated to pay for them, so that means the government does.

SSI- right now it is $735/month, which is the minimum we can expect to pay
Food stamps
Medicaid for healthcare
Group homes are usually paid for through Medicaid waiver programs and run around $40K a year (minimum) on top of the expenses listed above.

Many people with disabilities have the ability to be functioning members of society even if they aren't in mainstream classes. It's far cheaper to spend more in the public school system from age 3-20 or 21 (the typical ages where disabled children are aged out of school) than it is to spend $50K+ yearly from age 21 to death.

If a person can get the skills to work full-time at Publix or Target, even as a bagger or stocker, they won't be getting SSI for life, will likely be provided with work-paid benefits, and won't be costing taxpayers money. The number of special education children who are so severely disabled that they can never work is relatively small.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:38 AM
 
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Those are all in the Bill of Rights, not in the original constitution.
How does that make them any less Constitutional? It doesn't.
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