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Old 03-28-2017, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Immigration is the responsibility of the federal government, thus it should be enforced. Part of enforcement of all federal laws is cooperation by states and local governments.

If someone is wanted by the FBI for murder, does a sanctuary city just let this person go? No, they turn the person over. Yet when it comes to illegal immigrants, they have a different stance. A sanctuary city will even turn over a US military deserter, yet illegals are somehow special and deserve extra protection to continue their crime of being in the country illegally.
The difference here is that when someone is wanted for murder, a warrant is put out for their arrest. A local cop runs their information, sees the warrant, then holds that person until the feds pick him/her up.

Immigration laws are tricky because there are many grey areas. First of all, state and local officials don't even have access to immigration records, nor would they even know how to interpret them. What happens if Bob is stopped by a cop for speeding, but doesn't have a driver's license. He's a citizen, but cannot prove it because he lost his birth certificate and passport (which some people don't even have in the first place)?

Should law enforcement discriminate against people for accent or skin color? What does an "illegal" even look like?
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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I mean. Isn't that an intrusion of the federal government? Cities should have the right to protect inhabitants within their jurisdictions. All of this hating sanctuary cities just shows the hypocrisy of those on the right.
It's always amusing when someone completely misses the bare facts. In this case, it would be federal funds (money from We, the People for those too dense to figure it out) go to protect and build sanctuary cities now. Damn, really...how dense?


Honestly, the OP is so dense it doesn't even make sense.
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The problem with immigration, is that it affects all of us. You're talking about tax money being spent there. You're talking about tens of thousands of them having children there, who will then be American citizens, and who will then have the right to travel anywhere in the country.

There is a reason the federal government was given authority over immigration. A nation cannot allow a single state to harm all the rest.


Instead of thinking of sanctuary cities as being full of Mexicans. Imagine for a moment that they were full of Islamic radicals, or even ISIS members. And that they were using them as a breeding-ground to spread their influence around the country. And that the individual states were doing this intentionally to shift the balance of power in the country.


I'm all for states' rights, but the concept of states' rights died with the illegal 14th amendment.

THE UNCONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE 14th AMENDMENT
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Old 03-28-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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It seems like it doesn't take a genius to understand that many argue state's rights in regards to the US Constitution with the Federal Government having it's own rights clearly defined by the same.

Immigration is a federal government perogative. Immigration impacts all states as people move freely within.
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Old 03-28-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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So, when the local police come across someone on the FBI's most wanted list, they should just let the person go?
conflate away mate, you prove only that you don't want to discuss the topic at hand and instead wish to trump it up in another bs fest.
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Old 03-28-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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It seems like it doesn't take a genius to understand that many argue state's rights in regards to the US Constitution with the Federal Government having it's own rights clearly defined by the same.

Immigration is a federal government perogative. Immigration impacts all states as people move freely within.
immigration but NOT how and what local police forces do about it. you cant force local school teachers to become ICE agents nor can you force a local mayor to direct local police to become ice agents. But i understand why the right wants to pretend the federal gov can.
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Old 03-28-2017, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Where is it in the constitution that states have to abide by immigration laws?
Great question. Where does it say they have to abide by civil rights?
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Old 03-28-2017, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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immigration but NOT how and what local police forces do about it. you cant force local school teachers to become ICE agents nor can you force a local mayor to direct local police to become ice agents. But i understand why the right wants to pretend the federal gov can.
Does local law enforcement have an obligation to enforce federal law? What should the Federal government do, if a state simply refuses to enforce all federal laws?
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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Controlling immigration is a right specifically given to the federal governmnet by the Constitution. Duh.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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Where is it in the constitution that states have to abide by immigration laws?
Article I, Section 8, Clause 4:

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To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
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