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Old 03-29-2017, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The constant lying of Trump supporters is getting old.


You posted this uninspired crap ^^^^^^^ and have the nerve to claim someone else is "getting old"!
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:07 AM
 
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Here's an update on Fargas's political connections to Ukraine and anti-Russian coalition at bottom of article.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...t-elect-trump/

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♦ Evelyn Farkas is also a senior fellow of the Atlantic Council –SEE HERE– the Atlantic Council is funded in part by the US State Department, NATO, the governments of Latvia and Lithuania, the Ukrainian World Congress, and the Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk. The Atlantic Council has been among the loudest voices calling for a new Cold War with Russia
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The POTUS and his family are in deep stuff. The lies and fake news are starting to come on strong.

The POTUS using twitter to push his fake news stories are a tell tale sign. The misinterpretation of news is another way to create fake news. The followers are grasping at straws.
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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You people keep trying to paint over what really happened.

Obama spied on the Trump campaign because he could and because he wanted to.

And why not?

The polls showed Hillary with a double-digit lead, so there was no chance any of them could face consequences for their actions.

The Clinton camp wanted to get something incriminating, perhaps related to his foreign businesses and interaction with individuals from those nations, to counter Hillary's many scandals and the perception that she was untrustworthy.

The information gathered from the spying would be leaked by friends of Obama and Hillary and any inquiries as to the source would obviously lead nowhere.

Then the unthinkable happened.

At the last possible moment, Trump surged in the polls and pulled out a razor thin victory.

Now facing the very real possibility that a Trump attorney general would prosecute those involved in the illegal spying, panic set in.

Obama knew that he had to destroy Trump's credibility if his friends were going to be able to help cover this up.

Trump had to be made into such a bad guy that it didn't matter what was done to expose him (like spying during a campaign).

That's a tall order.

So the Trump-Russia conspiracy became the way out for some very desperate and very guilty political criminals of a sort even worse than Nixon.

The last minute Obama executive order allowing various government entities to share intelligence assured that anything discovered during the spying would be distributed throughout numerous agencies and leaked by hold-over Obama loyalists.

This massive dispersal also made tracing leaks back to the source almost impossible for an investigator.

So today the story line is that Obama's friends were just trying to preserve the evidence and prevent a Trump cover-up.

Well, perhaps they should mention that at their sentencing.
Does the truth mean nothing to you?

Obama's "last minute" order to share information to avoid "stovepiping" intelligence has been in the works since right after 9/11.

If Obama had actually wiretapped Trump to get evidence for Democrats to use against him, why didn't they use it?

Your conspiracy theories are getting so far fetched is hard to imagine even you believe them.
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:00 AM
 
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Dennis Kucinich , was not wiretapped.

Muammar Gaddafi's son was, and that is who was being wiretapped and that is who Dennis was talking to on the phone when the DNI heard his conversation.


You would know that if you had actually watched the interview you were quoting or at least provided a link to that interview.

And before you try to use, Kucinich's defense, you need to know he is wrong. the intelligence agencies do not disconnect when there is an american or congress on the line, they simply redact the names from public knowledge.
After all the Wikileaks dumps, you still haven't figured out the government uses these "incidental" surveillance of foreign communications with Americans to spy on Americans? This is how an international intelligence agency (CIA) gets to spy in the states, which should be illegal. Why do we have 17 different intelligence agencies? This should be a huge scandal, especially since they apparently aren't all that effective in keeping us safe, and are just as territorial and secretive with their information as they were before 9/11, which was the whole justification for creating the Department of Homeland Security.
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:02 AM
 
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Does the truth mean nothing to you?

Obama's "last minute" order to share information to avoid "stovepiping" intelligence has been in the works since right after 9/11.

If Obama had actually wiretapped Trump to get evidence for Democrats to use against him, why didn't they use it?

Your conspiracy theories are getting so far fetched is hard to imagine even you believe them.
How do you know they didn't use it?
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You people keep trying to paint over what really happened.
Obama spied on the Trump campaign because he could and because he wanted to.
And why not?The polls showed Hillary with a double-digit lead, so there was no chance any of them could face consequences for their actions.The Clinton camp wanted to get something incriminating, perhaps related to his foreign businesses and interaction with individuals from those nations, to counter Hillary's many scandals and the perception that she was untrustworthy.The information gathered from the spying would be leaked by friends of Obama and Hillary and any inquiries as to the source would obviously lead nowhere.Then the unthinkable happened.At the last possible moment, Trump surged in the polls and pulled out a razor thin victory.Now facing the very real possibility that a Trump attorney general would prosecute those involved in the illegal spying, panic set in.Obama knew that he had to destroy Trump's credibility if his friends were going to be able to help cover this up.Trump had to be made into such a bad guy that it didn't matter what was done to expose him (like spying during a campaign).That's a tall order.So the Trump-Russia conspiracy became the way out for some very desperate and very guilty political criminals of a sort even worse than Nixon.The last minute Obama executive order allowing various government entities to share intelligence assured that anything discovered during the spying would be distributed throughout numerous agencies and leaked by hold-over Obama loyalists.This massive dispersal also made tracing leaks back to the source almost impossible for an investigator.
So today the story line is that Obama's friends were just trying to preserve the evidence and prevent a Trump cover-up.Well, perhaps they should mention that at their sentencing.
Nice novel. Alex Jones would be proud. When there is proof, let us know.

Maybe if Nunes and the WH allow the investigations and hearings to continue, we'll find out the truth.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Here's an update on Fargas's political connections to Ukraine and anti-Russian coalition at bottom of article.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...t-elect-trump/

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♦ Evelyn Farkas is also a senior fellow of the Atlantic Council –SEE HERE– the Atlantic Council is funded in part by the US State Department, NATO, the governments of Latvia and Lithuania, the Ukrainian World Congress, and the Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk. The Atlantic Council has been among the loudest voices calling for a new Cold War with Russia

Yes Victor Pinchuk is one donor, there are thousands such as Saab, The Rockefeller Foundation.....
So what.


You really need to stop reading these blogs like the like the Conservative Tree House, they damage the mind.



Honor Roll of Contributors
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Her idea of preserving information is to leak it to press. Nunes and Intelligence agencies should release this information to press and everyone instead of keeping it secret.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Good -- they preserved criminal evidence. So much has come to light about Trump and his inner circle's dealing with Russia that even if the Obama administration was spying on Trump, it would be appropriate because they certainly had probable cause.
hahahahaha good one. Probable cause. hahahahahaha
It's okay to spy and invade Americans privacy as long as you come away with something.

We fought a revolutionary war over invasions like this. Wake up!
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