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Old 04-13-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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This incident on the United flight of the man being dragged off my police shows the hypocrisy in this country.

This man refused police orders and from what others onboard were saying was belligerent and even told the cops to drag him off and after being removed from the plane, he runs back onto the plane, which is a crime at that point. Remember 4 people were asked to leave and the other 3 weren't dragged off the plane screaming like a child, so for those saying he didnt do anything wrong....he did do something wrong once he was chosen and refused to gt off the plane.

I dont agree with bumping a paying passenger, but thats just part of the airline industry and you are screwed if it happens to you. If its in terms and conditions, its always a chance it can happen to you.

I bring this up because when it came to Sandra Bland or just about any other incident in the last few years with high profile cases involving black people, many of the comments on here and many other forums is, well if you weren't resisting the cops orders and JUST DO WHAT THE COPS SAYS, you wouldn't have had this problem, so you deserved it or as asking for it by resisting orders, even if they didnt do anything wrong.

SO why is it when it comes to BLM incidents or other high attention incidents that made national news where a black person didnt follow the cops orders, it was okay for the police to assault, tackle, drag and even shoot them, and many on here said it was justified, but this man on United who refused to get off the plane and ignored the Airlines request and then police officers requests gets all the sympathy in the world when he gets a similar treatment.
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Old 04-13-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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I don't even see how you can compare the two.

First it wasn't the police who escorted him off, it was airport security. No ones life was in danger.

Visit the thread talking about this situation to understand why people are siding with the passenger.

And for the record, I feel like he should have complied but he may have had an urgent matter back home. Who knows.
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Old 04-13-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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This incident on the United flight of the man being dragged off my police shows the hypocrisy in this country.

This man refused police orders and from what others onboard were saying was belligerent and even told the cops to drag him off and after being removed from the plane, he runs back onto the plane, which is a crime at that point. Remember 4 people were asked to leave and the other 3 weren't dragged off the plane screaming like a child, so for those saying he didnt do anything wrong....he did do something wrong once he was chosen and refused to gt off the plane.

I dont agree with bumping a paying passenger, but thats just part of the airline industry and you are screwed if it happens to you. If its in terms and conditions, its always a chance it can happen to you.

I bring this up because when it came to Sandra Bland or just about any other incident in the last few years with high profile cases involving black people, many of the comments on here and many other forums is, well if you weren't resisting the cops orders and JUST DO WHAT THE COPS SAYS, you wouldn't have had this problem, so you deserved it or as asking for it by resisting orders, even if they didnt do anything wrong.

SO why is it when it comes to BLM incidents or other high attention incidents that made national news where a black person didnt follow the cops orders, it was okay for the police to assault, tackle, drag and even shoot them, and many on here said it was justified, but this man on United who refused to get off the plane and ignored the Airlines request and then police officers requests gets all the sympathy in the world when he gets a similar treatment.
I was going to type out a huge response but i'll keep it short. People will change up how they feel about an issue at the drop of a hat if black people are involved.


-an Asian being dragged off an airplane is cruel to them
-a black person simply "mouthing off" to a cop deserves to be killed..."comply or die"


it's that simple.
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Old 04-13-2017, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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OP, thread fail. The passenger already boarded the plane. You can't remove someone after they've already boarded.

If this happened at the gate, you might have a case, but the police shouldn't have even touched that man once the passengers have boarded the plane and in their seats. Period. The most they could've done at that point was offer anyone who wants it $1000 bucks to leave their seat. The cops shouldn't have even been involved at that point and United should've just had their employees get a car rental or wait for another flight at that point.

It's 100% United's fault, not the passenger. Period.
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Old 04-13-2017, 01:40 PM
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Nothing racial about the incident so quit trying to compare the 2. I would be just as incensed if any other person was treated that way.
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Old 04-13-2017, 01:40 PM
 
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This incident on the United flight of the man being dragged off my police shows the hypocrisy in this country.

This man refused police orders and from what others onboard were saying was belligerent and even told the cops to drag him off and after being removed from the plane, he runs back onto the plane, which is a crime at that point. Remember 4 people were asked to leave and the other 3 weren't dragged off the plane screaming like a child, so for those saying he didnt do anything wrong....he did do something wrong once he was chosen and refused to gt off the plane.

I dont agree with bumping a paying passenger, but thats just part of the airline industry and you are screwed if it happens to you. If its in terms and conditions, its always a chance it can happen to you.

I bring this up because when it came to Sandra Bland or just about any other incident in the last few years with high profile cases involving black people, many of the comments on here and many other forums is, well if you weren't resisting the cops orders and JUST DO WHAT THE COPS SAYS, you wouldn't have had this problem, so you deserved it or as asking for it by resisting orders, even if they didnt do anything wrong.

SO why is it when it comes to BLM incidents or other high attention incidents that made national news where a black person didnt follow the cops orders, it was okay for the police to assault, tackle, drag and even shoot them, and many on here said it was justified, but this man on United who refused to get off the plane and ignored the Airlines request and then police officers requests gets all the sympathy in the world when he gets a similar treatment.
I agree.

It kind of does amaze me people's reactions, as if the whole "comply and settle this later" went out the window.

It would be interesting to see what posters on CD sided with the passenger, yet sided with cops on other issues similar.

One of the main talking points for these police-civilian confrontations is that even if the civilian is in the right, they should comply with the cop's orders, and settle the issue after the fact.
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Old 04-13-2017, 01:48 PM
 
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Well, let's be honest here. The man being dragged off was an elderly Asian, and I'm sure a lot of people out there feel there was probably discrimination involved in UA choosing him in particular to drag off.

And:

1) If this were an African American or Hispanic man or woman being dragged off the plane, a lot of people would also be claiming it was racism.

2) If an attractive female were being dragged off the plane, a lot of people would be claiming it was sexism & that the woman was being harassed.

3) If an overweight man or woman were dragged off the plane & their fat stomach was falling out of their shirt, there would probably be a lot of people making fun of the person/situation - rather than being sympathetic.

4) If a middle-aged, bald white guy were dragged off the plane, I'm not sure there would be much of an uproar at all...

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Old 04-13-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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United messed up big time, but the police had every right to remove him. He was on private property and was asked to leave. He refused and was considered a trespasser. The police were removing a trespasser.
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Old 04-13-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Secure, Undisclosed
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The police weren't involved. (We have other ways of removing passengers from planes and they do not involve dragging.)

So do we want to re-write this as the incident "shows the Hypocrisy of America when it comes to dealing with Security Guards?"

If so, please consider that under Illinois law, security guards are agents of their employer - in this case, United.

Hence, the question becomes whether the incident shows "the Hypocrisy of America when it comes to dealing with United?"

Just sayin'...
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Old 04-13-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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United messed up big time, but the police had every right to remove him. He was on private property and was asked to leave. He refused and was considered a trespasser. The police were removing a trespasser.
Right.....after he already paid his ticket & got his seat. Unbelievable that some actually think this way.

Let's see how you act if you have a flight to somewhere, have bought your ticket, and gotten your seat - and are then forcibly removed. I'm sure you wouldn't be as sympathetic to the airline if that were to happen.
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