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Airlines could sell wait-listed seats. If there's room, you get on. Otherwise, you wait for the next flight. This would settle who gets denied boarding.
"Overbooking" means selling the same thing twice. "Involuntary bumping" means stealing it back from one customer.
Airlines could sell wait-listed seats. If there's room, you get on. Otherwise, you wait for the next flight. This would settle who gets denied boarding.
"Overbooking" means selling the same thing twice. "Involuntary bumping" means stealing it back from one customer.
How can this be legal?
They've done that as long as I can remember. But it usually happens at the gate. Not when someone has a boarding pass and certainly not when one has already boarded. They were accommodating United employees who needed to get to another flight.
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I don't even see how you can compare the two.
First it wasn't the police who escorted him off, it was airport security. No ones life was in danger.
Visit the thread talking about this situation to understand why people are siding with the passenger.
And for the record, I feel like he should have complied but he may have had an urgent matter back home. Who knows.
Security Guards have very few powers in most countries, so I am not sure why they didn't call for the police to sort this out, and to assault someone in this way means they could actually end up facing criminal charges themselves, as well as a Civil Action.
It was actually in the Airport Security Guards own interest to call in the police, and they could have avoided legal action by doing so.
Security Guards have very few powers in most countries, so I am not sure why they didn't call for the police to sort this out, and to assault someone in this way means they could actually end up facing criminal charges themselves, as well as a Civil Action.
It was actually in the Airport Security Guards own interest to call in the police, and they could have avoided legal action by doing so.
It appears they are police whatever they are called. They are not armed but do have the power to arrest you. That is police. There was an ongoing discussion about arming them but it is likely a dead issue after this incident.
They do call the Chicago Police for difficult incidents and are directed to hide if faced with an armed person.
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It appears they are police whatever they are called. They are not armed but do have the power to arrest you. That is police. There was an ongoing discussion about arming them but it is likely a dead issue after this incident.
They do call the Chicago Police for difficult incidents and are directed to hide if faced with an armed person.
Everyone has the power to make a citizens arrest, and security guards have no more powers than any normal citizen in relation to arrest in the UK.
The important thing to remember is that you have to justify an arrest, whilst even the police have to justify any use of force, which should be minimal. What happened in this case certainly didn't look like minimal force and the justification for using such force aganst a 69 year old man who had committed no criminal offence is somewhat dubious.
Everyone has the power to make a citizens arrest, and security guards have no more powers than any normal citizen in relation to arrest in the UK.
The important thing to remember is that you have to justify an arrest, whilst even the police have to justify any use of force, which should be minimal.
Yes of course. But they have the power to get you hauled off to jail and dealt with by the criminal justice system. In the US the private citizen has no power to detain for investigation.
Security Guards have very few powers in most countries, so I am not sure why they didn't call for the police to sort this out, and to assault someone in this way means they could actually end up facing criminal charges themselves, as well as a Civil Action.
It was actually in the Airport Security Guards own interest to call in the police, and they could have avoided legal action by doing so.
The bottom line is that the O'Hare airport security personnel involved in the incident are City of Chicago employees, so any financial liability on their part as a result of the lawsuit or settlement will actually be paid by Chicago taxpayers. Plus, Obama's buddy Rahm Emanuel (Chicago's Mayor) has yet another excessive force problem on his watch.
So government employees are acting as enforcers for a corporation.
The passenger had not broken any laws, was not creating a disturbance, was in no way endangering himself or others. There was no criminal or safety issues that would involve officers of the law.
This was a corporation using taxpayer-funded cops as goons to steal this man's seat.
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Yes of course. But they have the power to get you hauled off to jail and dealt with by the criminal justice system. In the US the private citizen has no power to detain for investigation.
They don't have the power to get you hauled off to jail in most countries, it's the police who decide what action is taken and not airport security.
In this case the individual had committed no criminal offence and was in a civil dispute with the airline, there was no criminality involved, indeed the dispute was caused by the airline trying to force paid passengers to give up their seats for the airlines own staff, so the plane was not even overbooked.
The Airline should have found another way for staff to travel rather than treating customers with contempt, whilst the Airport Security should have used minimal force rather than assault a 69 year old man before dragging him along the floor and off the plane. This just wasn't acceptable from start to finish.
The levels of force used will now be the subject of scrutiny in the Courts and I expect this man will receive significant compensation.
They don't have the power to get you hauled off to jail in most countries, it's the police who decide what action is taken and not airport security.
In this case the individual had committed no criminal offence and was in a civil dispute with the airline, there was no criminality involved, indeed the dispute was caused by the airline trying to force paid passengers to give up their seats for the airlines own staff, so the plane was not even overbooked.
The Airline should have found another way for staff to travel rather than treating customers with contempt, whilst the Airport Security should have used minimal force rather than assault a 69 year old man before dragging him along the floor and off the plane. This just wasn't acceptable from start to finish.
The levels of force used will now be the subject of scrutiny in the Courts and I expect this man will receive significant compensation.
They do have the power to get you hauled off to jail. Therefore they are de facto police.
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