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Old 04-25-2017, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Depends. Does Trump have facts on his side on this. Just because Trump does something, doesn't mean it's wrong.
Trade war sounds like a pretty dumb idea.
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Old 04-25-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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No it's not. Consumers are only part of the equation. Your argument is nonsense. You're parroting a overly simplistic answer to complex relationships. The economics version of "build a wall". Tariffs are absolutely reasonable in some cases. I have insufficient information to know if they are or are not in this situation, but they are not always 100% a bad idea.
Tell us, when is it appropriate for a third party to make a good or service artificially more expensive for the end user?

It is simple, you're trying to make it complicated.
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Old 04-25-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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Trade war sounds like a pretty dumb idea.
Depends...are we already in one? AND...whats the cost of the current one that we arent fighting.

Sigh, I suppose I will have to read up on all of this. But honestly folks, if your trading partner is taking advantage of you, then you have to decide if keeping the peace is worth it, or if some tariffs are in order in order to get the deal to be made fair.

Tariffs are often a bad idea, same with trade wars. But they also are sometimes necessary. Lets not be all knee jerk reactionary on things, lets try and understand things, and not jump to simple answers.
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Old 04-25-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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One quick thing you notice. the 20% tariff looks to be a response to a 300% tariff on milk.


Seems to be a bit low then doesn't it?
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Neither lumber nor dairy are currently part of the NAFTA agreement although apparently the U.S. Goverment wants them to be.

Yes, building costs will go up in the U.S. as US.-based companies can only meet part of the demand for lumber plus the the reason for the tariffs is so they can sell what lumber they have at higher prices.

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Old 04-25-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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One quick thing you notice. the 20% tariff looks to be a response to a 300% tariff on milk.


Seems to be a bit low then doesn't it?
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Canada has long maintained a high tariff wall on most dairy products. The duty on milk is 270 per cent. That keeps most imports from the United States and elsewhere out of Canada, while helping to prop up higher domestic prices. One notable exception is ultrafiltered milk and other protein-rich dairy ingredients used to make dairy products such as cheese and yogurt. North American free-trade rules do not cover these ingredients, so they enter Canada duty-free. And in recent years, U.S. dairies have developed a booming business selling these low-cost products to dairies in Canada ($133-million last year). That all changed about a year ago, when Canadian dairy farmers and producers moved to close the breach in the tariff wall with a new “ingredients strategy.†They persuaded regulators to create a new lower-priced class of industrial milk as an incentive to get dairies to produce protein substances in Canada, using Canadian milk. The result was predictable: U.S. imports fell in 2016, and are declining sharply so far this year.
A guide to understanding the dairy dispute between the U.S. and*Canada - The Globe and Mail
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:19 PM
 
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Tell us, when is it appropriate for a third party to make a good or service artificially more expensive for the end user?

It is simple, you're trying to make it complicated.
Well a good example would be if they are doing it to you already.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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Well a good example would be if they are doing it to you already.
Are they though? Or would the truth be closer to America is doing it to itself?

'We don't blame you': Wisconsin farmers on Trump's blast at Canada's dairy industry - World - CBC News

'Don’t point the finger to Canada': Manitoba dairy farmers tell Trump to give his head a shake | Metro Winnipeg

Supply management versus make as much as you can and hope you can sell it somewhere, anywhere, .........please?

This is some of the loooong history behind the latest target of Trump's deflection away from broken promises.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada...lumber_dispute

Any number of challenges regarding softwood placed by America before the WTO have been decided in Canada's favour but that does not stop the U.S. from every few years attempting to impose countervailing duties to yet again start the whole debacle once more.

Here we go again.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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I don't think Trump is wrong just by being Trump but in this case when you and I know that Houses in US are made of Wood, the tarif on foreign Wood will only benefit few and houses will be more expensive to make.
You mean it will benefit AMERICAN lumber makers,the people who chop the wood down,transport it,sell it etc etc. We don't NEED Canadian Lumber they were ALLOWED to dump it in our markets and it was harming the US lumber industry.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:08 PM
 
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National Association of Home Builders said this will add $3000 to the cost of a new home in the US. Homebuyers will pay for the tariff via higher home prices.

New home buyers will pay for that new Canadian lumber tariff - Apr. 25, 2017
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