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I think it should depend upon the situation. Lets say the US had a draft to fight a war and was choosing unfairly, like giving college deferments like during Vietnam. Burning the flag at a protest would actually mean something. Burning it at a soldiers funeral just to offend his family and friends? That should be illegal.
I think it should depend upon the situation. Lets say the US had a draft to fight a war and was choosing unfairly, like giving college deferments like during Vietnam. Burning the flag at a protest would actually mean something. Burning it at a soldiers funeral just to offend his family and friends? That should be illegal.
You show the problem with your solution. What you find offensive may be very different from what someone else does.
Priebus just hinted in an interview that burning the flag may soon serve up a harsh punishment?
I would seriously like to see that happen
there is a great lack of respect here in America.
If it smells like fascism, and tastes like fascism... it's obviously ****ing fascism.
Burning the flag is stupid, but the idea that 1) the White House would do this (not a legislative body... I'm sure he means through congress but given the content of the law, it's honestly not certain) and that 2) simply speaking out against the state should be made highly illegal, is deeply troubling.
Protesting is NOT anti-American. You know, the Boston Tea Party and all that.
Protecting free speech, and most importantly, protecting unpopular speech, is one of the tenets this country is based on.
Yes, but, today, many equate free speech with things like burning the American flag (which many died to preserve), breaking windows, burning cars and suppressing the rights, freedom and free-speech of others. Others have grown so mushy-headed in their thinking that they equate gross pornography, pedophilia and anything else with "free speech."
America is founded on the tenets of equal rights for all and respecting the country the American flag represents.
well, honestly I sat and watched the republicans do the same to Obama, and I'm trying to be fair....everyday on FB they were printing fake news just like some liberals are now, screaming for impeachment...so, it works both ways....honestly it does.....
Now maybe I wasn't as tuned in during Bush's reign, but I don't remember the media being quit so biased...
there is no room for anything good, it's all gloom and doom....unless of course there is a democratic office reign....
so the division is not only from within the party, but also the media....I watched in horror as they discredited police, including the mayor of Philly
Obama was indeed pushing the limits with his bragging about "going around Congress," which he did do, and got some scathing criticism from Trey Gowdy on the House Floor. He had taken it upon himself, without Congress, to change the Health Care law (Obamacare) by declaration, and he did it more than once. This led Trey Gowdy to ask, "Can the President change election law?" And he went on to say of the House, "We make law!" He was very angry.
Part of the problem we have today is that much of the media, and most of the citizens (unfortunately) don't know enough about our Constitution or our Separation of Powers to know what's Constitutional and what isn't. There are more than a few here that believe the Courts have power of oversight over the Executive Branch, which is clearly not the case. The Judicial Branch is the weakest branch. It is the Congress that has the job of oversight, not the Courts, and in fact, except for the Supreme Court, the lower courts are created by Congress as they see fit, and may also be eliminated as they see fit. The Congress may impeach judges and remove them from office for "bad behavior" (the Constitution does not use the phrase "life term," but says they "shall hold office during good behavior").
In order of Power, the three branches are: 1)Legislative 2)Executive 3)Judicial. The Legislative branch has the most power because it is closest to the people. The Framers feared the rule of judges, which is why they gave the Judicial branch the least amount of power. Their only power is to interpret and rule on the law. In the recent cases regarding Trump's E.O.'s, they went beyond the limits of their authority. They did not even consider the relevant law, but they assumed what was in Trump's heart, and made their ruling based on that, and on their own personal political opinions.
Obama also stepped in it a few times during his term, making judgments on pending cases, such as saying, "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon," and "There's not a smidgen of corruption (in the IRS)" while Lois Lerner was still under investigation.
There was an unspoken respect for things like the flag, for the opinions of others....yes, there were always a few, but for the most part society wasn't angry, and hostile, towards others, people obeyed laws....they didn't run traffic lights, life was respected...meaning, if it was against the law to talk on phones while driving, simply for the sake of saving one life, it was respected....however, then, there were so many more cops....that made citizen's obey the law or get a ticket.
But there was this unspoken mannerism woven into the fabric of society....if you swore, let alone said the F, word (and believe me, I say it a lot) you were looked down on...especially by girls in schools, you just didn't talk like that, or think like that, and yes, there were some, but the majority of society possessed respect, even for those who you didn't agree with.
And believe it or not, before my time, if a man beat his wife, the congregation of the church went over and beat him....lol, truth.....
In our town growing up, the town shut down for church on Wed. afternoons....and mind you, I'm not one for organized religion, but, the rules and laws of religion and society, do keep society in line....
I see a different world now, and you will to some day....I hope you like what you see by then....
I'm not trying to be snarky, I just see so many people mean and hateful with their words....it is difficult to see...and I'm not talking only about this forum but in news feeds people are honestly negative...mean, disrespectful....I saw a woman posting a recipe, a recipe mind you, and other women had to come in and run it down...and poo poo her using whatever....
yes, I think making a law over burning the flag is a small diversion, as some have said here, but, laws, no matter how small, seem to keep society strong and working together as a team and not so mean to each other b/c they belong to another political party.
You are reminiscing about a "good 'ole time" when it was not the law that governed how people dealt with each other; but how the emotional state of whoever held sway in a particular town was interpreted and punishment meted out by fiat.
Those with power got what they wanted and those without power were lucky if they only got the shaft.
There is nothing good about a beat down by church members for a transgressor. That is a job and decision for a judge. It is bad enough now that punishment are not equally applied, it was worse when the town potentate did it (with or) without the people knowing what his true feelings and biases were.
It is better if we all obey the law.
"Cause the good ole days weren't always good, and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems ." --B. Joel
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"Cause the good ole days weren't always good, and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems ." --B. Joel[/quote]
your absolutely right, as there is always and forever will be, both good and bad in everything!!!!
But I wasn't discussing the bad....I was using the good ol days to explain the difference in people, in their attitudes, in their respect for laws and rules, in us kids....we certainly wouldn't have talked to cops the way people do today, b/c there was consequences for what we did.
In every decision a man makes, or I should say, a human being, there is good outcome and bad outcome...like I was trying to explain, the ripple effect of thoughts, deeds and words....in this case the ripple effects of excusing laws for the sake of convenience or entitlements.
What governed our small town were old fashioned laws....and of course our parents, they were strict, of which I am glad of, especially when I see young college kids acting out today....(now I'm not attacking anyone's kid here so please don't get upset) but it is most certainly a different world and anyone over 50 years old will tell you that....
I'm so thankful all of our parents were on the same page, I'm thankful that they all stuck together as far as dicipline was concerned....and even more thankful that I not only grew up that way, but extended that same behavior to my son. To this day he will say, he to, is glad I was strict.
Yes, but, today, many equate free speech with things like burning the American flag (which many died to preserve), breaking windows, burning cars and suppressing the rights, freedom and free-speech of others. Others have grown so mushy-headed in their thinking that they equate gross pornography, pedophilia and anything else with "free speech."
America is founded on the tenets of equal rights for all and respecting the country the American flag represents.
"Free Speech" and anarchy are not synonymous.
Yupper, thanks for understanding this....you couldn't be more correct.
Obama was indeed pushing the limits with his bragging about "going around Congress," which he did do, and got some scathing criticism from Trey Gowdy on the House Floor. He had taken it upon himself, without Congress, to change the Health Care law (Obamacare) by declaration, and he did it more than once. This led Trey Gowdy to ask, "Can the President change election law?" And he went on to say of the House, "We make law!" He was very angry.
Part of the problem we have today is that much of the media, and most of the citizens (unfortunately) don't know enough about our Constitution or our Separation of Powers to know what's Constitutional and what isn't. There are more than a few here that believe the Courts have power of oversight over the Executive Branch, which is clearly not the case. The Judicial Branch is the weakest branch. It is the Congress that has the job of oversight, not the Courts, and in fact, except for the Supreme Court, the lower courts are created by Congress as they see fit, and may also be eliminated as they see fit. The Congress may impeach judges and remove them from office for "bad behavior" (the Constitution does not use the phrase "life term," but says they "shall hold office during good behavior").
In order of Power, the three branches are: 1)Legislative 2)Executive 3)Judicial. The Legislative branch has the most power because it is closest to the people. The Framers feared the rule of judges, which is why they gave the Judicial branch the least amount of power. Their only power is to interpret and rule on the law. In the recent cases regarding Trump's E.O.'s, they went beyond the limits of their authority. They did not even consider the relevant law, but they assumed what was in Trump's heart, and made their ruling based on that, and on their own personal political opinions.
Obama also stepped in it a few times during his term, making judgments on pending cases, such as saying, "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon," and "There's not a smidgen of corruption (in the IRS)" while Lois Lerner was still under investigation.
yes, you get no argument from me, but this thread is not about Obama, is it?
If it smells like fascism, and tastes like fascism... it's obviously ****ing fascism.
Burning the flag is stupid, but the idea that 1) the White House would do this (not a legislative body... I'm sure he means through congress but given the content of the law, it's honestly not certain) and that 2) simply speaking out against the state should be made highly illegal, is deeply troubling.
yes, it is stupid....and I understand and agree with what everyone is saying here about the situation, believe me, but there is another side, which I'm also seeing....the loss of respect...people don't seem to understand, b/c they never lived it, but we as kids would have never thought about burning the flag. It was simply something that wasn't done....
we would have never ever thought of taking a gun to school, much less, opening up the gun cabinet....it wasn't ours to even touch....
do you see the difference....
we were taught from little on up, and there was no questioning why and no explanations, it was simply b/c they said so....
when I see kids running around with masks on, breaking store front windows, setting the property of others on fire, turning over police cars, and even speaking to cops the way they do, right in their faces, pushing the envelope, daring those cops to react....I just cannot believe it....and I mean that, it is unfathomable to me. Can you understand that?
A whole big difference in how we were raised.
Lawlessness, regardless corrodes society. It starts out little and over the years, builds up and builds up...until people become corrupt.
so yes, while you and everyone else in this thread is correct about burning the flag, there is another side to this that ya'll are not aware of....and that is, we would have NEVER thought of doing so...why? Because the lives that were lost to have that flag meant something to many....it was a sacred symbol something to be respected.
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