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Old 05-02-2017, 05:08 PM
 
Location: United States
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So in order to please the most right wing Republicans, they are taking away a lot, including winding down Medicaid and increasing costs for older people. Further, they want to allow states to opt out of covering pre-existing conditions.

If GOP Passes Trumpcare, It

Now Trump said none of this would happen but, hey the election is over so who cares - certainly not his supporters. It should be interesting watching what happens when older people start getting the bills and Appalachia no longer has coverage.

This isn't Trump's bill, it was put out by Ryan, and changed to appease the more conservative members of congress.

But hey, lets not let the facts get in the way of an anti-Trump rant.
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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This isn't Trump's bill, it was put out by Ryan, and changed to appease the more conservative members of congress.

But hey, lets not let the facts get in the way of an anti-Trump rant.
Trump will absolutely sign it and he is now calling GOP holdouts to get them to support it.
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:10 PM
 
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If only it were a commodity in a free market... Like cellphones, computers, televisions, appliances, etc. where the improvements come and the prices fall. Oh the horror.
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:10 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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The new word the GOP is using is "ACCESS". it's not cheaper, it's not better, it doesn't cover everything, but it provides ACCESS. Now the reason that magical word applies is because it applies to everything. We all have ACCESS to buying something, it doesn't mean it's affordable.

5 Trump health care promises that won't become reality - POLITICO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgiahHVVbYE
Lies, lies, lies and more lies. 45's promises are all made with one tiny hand behind his back, fingers crossed. It's just like "Mexico will pay for the Wall." And the GOP led by Granny Killer, Paul Ryan can't wait to make sure that no one except the Koch Brothers will have "access" to decent health care.
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:10 PM
 
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This isn't Trump's bill, it was put out by Ryan, and changed to appease the more conservative members of congress.

But hey, lets not let the facts get in the way of an anti-Trump rant.
Really? Are you honestly claiming Trump has nothing to do with this failure?
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:11 PM
 
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The new word the GOP is using is "ACCESS". it's not cheaper, it's not better, it doesn't cover everything, but it provides ACCESS. Now the reason that magical word applies is because it applies to everything. We all have ACCESS to buying something, it doesn't mean it's affordable.

5 Trump health care promises that won't become reality - POLITICO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgiahHVVbYE
access is a lie, we always have access to full healthcare insurance with or without the aca or any healthcare rules at all.

There is always access at a price. but access meaningless when the price is so high many cannot pay it no matter how much they want to...

access is just another GOP lie to try to slide it by.


and don't forget the plan they are offering allows any state that wants and can to simply dump "precondition" rule on day one...


shame on Trump, he is willing to sell his supporter for a billioniare's tax cut.
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:11 PM
 
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If only it were a commodity in a free market... Like cellphones, computers, televisions, appliances, etc. where the improvements come and the prices fall. Oh the horror.
If only the human body were a commodity and we could get another when the current one failed. The problem is we have no spare bodies to inhabit, we just get one.
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:12 PM
 
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If only it were a commodity in a free market... Like cellphones, computers, televisions, appliances, etc. where the improvements come and the prices fall. Oh the horror.
Trump is definitely supporting the bill.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/u...alth-care.html
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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If only the human body were a commodity and we could get another when the current one failed. The problem is we have no spare bodies to inhabit, we just get one.
True, so far we're limited to replacement parts like heart valves, knees, etc, but get the bureaucrats at out of the way and advancements will come sooner.
By the way, your reply to my post in no way changes anything I said.
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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This isn't Trump's bill, it was put out by Ryan, and changed to appease the more conservative members of congress.

But hey, lets not let the facts get in the way of an anti-Trump rant.
IT IS ALWAYS THE POTUS's bill when they are in the same party.

your excuse blaming ryan is pathetic. TRump is the Block Daddy, Ryan is just one of his enforcers. That is how it works and if it breaks it is up to the Block Daddy to find a new enforcer.
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