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Old 05-07-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Reagan's move I fully agree with. I would prefer people work, as in most cases, they will get quality employer insurance just as I am sure we both do, by earning it.
Too many young people want to retire early with millions in the bank. They want free healthcare or paying minimum of it. Too much leisure time, who is picking the tab.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Anyone saying yes doesn't understand what a right is supposed to be.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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For those who feel it is a basic human right, do you also believe housing is a basic human right?
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:36 PM
 
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Reagan's move I fully agree with. I would prefer people work, as in most cases, they will get quality employer insurance just as I am sure we both do, by earning it.
Health care should never have been tied to employment to begin with. It is an odd pairing. It reeks of old time corporate enslavement. ACA freed people from being tied to employers for health insurance.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Anyone saying yes doesn't understand what a right is supposed to be.
Right: anything I want regardless if it forces another person to do something

Did I get it correct?

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Old 05-07-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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Health care should never have been tied to employment to begin with. It is an odd pairing. It reeks of old time corporate enslavement. ACA freed people from being tied to employers for health insurance.
Democratic administration backed corps into it with a mandated wage freeze.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:42 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Yes, it is a right, or at least it should be.

The US provides foreign aid to a certain country, to the tune of several billion annually, a country that provides universal health care to its own citizens, and considers health care to be a right.

I think that it is totally unacceptable that the US doesn't provide universal health care to its own people.

Health care is a service. It is rendered when you need treatment for an ailment. Disease, wound, illness, etc. Your nurse, doctor, receives monies for their services rendered. As does your pharmacist if you are prescribed a medication. Whether the services rendered are paid for by yourself or your insurance company, the staff and specialists get paid for their time for services rendered. No different than a mechanic, no different than a chef, no different than a landscaper, no different than a professor at a college. If every other profession in the world paid as much as doctors and nurses get paid, you would want that subsidized too. Like food insurance to grab a 15k dollar cheese burger at McDonald's when the flipper makes 450k a year, and the cashier that takes your order makes 80-160k per year.

Health insurance is a product. You purchase this product to cover the cost or drastically reduce the the cost of health care so you are not stuck with a massive debt.

There is a rat. Who is to blame? The doctor who makes 400k+ and the nurses and imagery specialists making 50-160k per year? The pharmacists making 80k+?

I've caught flack for this with my own family over this.

The human body has been the same for how long?
I'm a mechanic. There are mid year changes that are drastic... I have to supply my own tools. I have to quickly and proficiently diagnose my patient. Repair it with medicine (a control module reprogram) and surgery (doing head gaskets on a diesel engine) so why do I get stuck at making 32 per hour when what I work on evolves 10 fold in a matter of 3-5 years?

Yet there is no legitimate cure for cancer and other ailments?
Why, so there's more volume of work for you or more money made by pharmaceutical companies to pump out a cure with side effects worse than your ailment?

That said, why does either insurance or care become an entitlement that the government gets to meddle in? Have we lost the ability to make responsible decisions with favorable outcomes to have everything handed to us like spoiled little brats? Have we evolved to become lazy and dependant?

As for foreign aid goes, if this slush fund were to dry up every liberal and human rights activist would be crying harder than they were on election night and comparing the leader to Hitler for allowing a natural disaster to occur and no food or medical aid to go to that area...
Damned if you do, Damned if you dont...

I wouldn't be opposed to ending foreign aid and help our veterans out first. They sacrificed. You don't have to agree with what they did. Or who sent them there. Or why they were sent there.
Once every veteran has a roof over their head, the treatments the are owed, and they are fed and have clothes on their backs, then worry about everyone else.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:45 PM
 
Location: PSL
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For those who feel it is a basic human right, do you also believe housing is a basic human right?
LOL you forgot college!!! Can't forget the free college too!!!
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Would you walk the walk, meaning, if Healthcare services were extended to folks not having it now, would you work extra hours for free to serve them? Your income would neither increase or decrease from the present.
Think you meant " walk the talk"


As for me, I have no issues with taxes going towards Universal Healthcare ( which does not automatically mean Single Payer) for people who take reasonable responsibility for their own health. By this I mean weight control, no smoking and no recreational substances.

I also believe EVERYONE should contribute a fixed percentage of their gross income towards healthcare.

We have politicians and media who feed off them attempting to persuade us there is a Muslim under every bed and ignore that most people will die of heart disease and Cancer and never be involved in an Act of Terrorism.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:54 PM
 
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A wee bit emotional, aren't we? You and I differ in opinion, but I would never launch epithets at you. Indirectly, or otherwise. The fact is you reacted emotionally.

The WHO chronicles 36 million deaths per year related to lifestyle; Cardiovascular diseases 48%, Cancers 21%, Chronic respiratory diseases 12%, Diabetes 3%. Unemotional, unrelated to Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islamic or any other religion, but definitely related to lifestyle. The missing ingredient in any health care, certainly health care cost discussion.
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We are all TABs (temporarily able bodied) and are all going to die. No amount of healthy living can cheat death. Cancer is a thief that can hit anyone. No one can guarantee a healthy baby through healthy living. Most deaths and illnesses are not from smoking or bad diet.

It's disgusting, immoral, and un-Christian to blame the victims and not help.
Every civilized country except the US considers healthcare a basic human right
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