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Old 05-07-2017, 02:16 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Like...don't steal?


LOL.
(Rum burns when it exits the nostrils)
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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Well if it helps between work and my investments... I cleared 6 figures this year...

I don't rely on a taxi, a bus, or any other forms of assistance... so. Yeah I guess so...

I'm sitting on a beach right now knocking back rum runners getting a kick out of all the gimmedats arguments on a 900 dollar brand new phone.... so... Yeah I guess so...
I would rather have a healthy body than a high income, if it came down to a choice.
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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Do you consider healthcare a basic human right?
Yes for people to choose as an option to pay for it to take the risk of not having, like with travel insurance and other optional insurances. Home owners insurance is also optional if you pay cash for you property and isn't mandatory.
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Do you consider healthcare a basic human right?
People keep using this word..."right".

Who have no idea what it actually means.

Here's a clue:

ANYTHING that requires another person's labor on your behalf, is not a right.
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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Yes I do. That is a basic right (same with school/uni).

I think our system in Finland has been good one.
We pay public healthcare in our progressive taxation (highest around 60%!!) thus we get cheap/free healthcare (same with school/uni). Also employer provides us free healthcare to some extent.
I have gone to see a public doctor maybe 2 here in the past 5 years. Those visits have cost me barely nothing.

But when I went to see a doctor in USA and had to order some blood work, it was just ridiculous. It was something like 800$ in total for less than 30min doctors visit and 3 labtests. Like a rip off. Ok.. you have different system there and if you have health insurance you'd get the visit much cheaper. But when I compare to Finnish system I would not still pay that much from same visit and labs at a private doctor, which in this case is more comparable to my experience since foreigners need to use the private system here as well.

We have health insurance too but not many have those because the system has been quite good. Usually maybe parents get them to their kids so that if they get sick everything goes smoothly.
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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Reagan's move I fully agree with. I would prefer people work, as in most cases, they will get quality employer insurance just as I am sure we both do, by earning it.
And if you lose your job because of cancer and have to go on a 5 year $2 million cancer treatment?

Do you feel that you should get any help after you lose your insurance?
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:22 PM
 
Location: PSL
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I would rather have a healthy body than a high income, if it came down to a choice.
High income pays for the gym membership.
Pays for health insurance.
Pays for transportation to get to doctors.
Pays for preventative screenings...
Pays for tools I need.
Pays for the roof over my head.
Pays the bartender a 50 dollar bill because an Ahole got mouthy with him when the bar is packed and this guy demands service right this second...
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:23 PM
 
Location: London
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Yes I do. That is a basic right (same with school/uni).

I think our system in Finland has been good one.
We pay public healthcare in our progressive taxation (highest around 60%!!) thus we get cheap/free healthcare (same with school/uni). Also employer provides us free healthcare to some extent.
I have gone to see a public doctor maybe 2 here in the past 5 years. Those visits have cost me barely nothing.

But when I went to see a doctor in USA and had to order some blood work, it was just ridiculous. It was something like 800$ in total. Like a rip off. Ok.. you have different system there and if you have health insurance you'd get the visit much cheaper. But when I compare to Finnish system I would not still pay that much from same visit and labs at a private doctor.

We have health insurance too but not many have those because the system has been quite good. Usually maybe parents get them to their kids so that if they get sick everything goes smoothly.
It's a different culture... In the USA, we have a natural selection/survival of the fittest mentality.
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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Wow.

Have you ever heard of genetics?

Give it time.

I hope geneticists find a gene for idiocy soon.
If they do liberalism is doomed.
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:24 PM
 
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YES for working adults and their families, and for retirees under 85, who are willing to pay what they can for it, and YES for all children.

NO to everyone else, unless being unemployed is not by their choice but due to extenuating circumstances beyond their control.

However, that being said, I don't think that anyone should actually suffer. What I am referring to is the right of adults to be able to go to the doctor for a basic sore throat and fever, and have someone else pay for it.

The tricky and unstated part of your question is "What constitutes BASIC healthcare?" I think that has a very broad interpretation.

I didn't have an answer until I came across your answer. I like what you said. Although 80 percent of illnesses are mental, it can escalate into a physical problem which has to be looked at by a doctor. Plus while you wait for a job you need to be able to be as in good health as you can to be more employable.

The only problem I have with it is what if free health insurance is preventing jobs from being created? On the other hand it doesn't mean you'll get hired so maybe we can't take that risk.

I do think unemployed or not we don't need to keep going to the doctor for every little thing. We should be more proactive in taking care of ourselves.
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