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Note people in the last several responses, when they found their argument failed, they only comment in rhetoric and insult.
I wouldn't even bother me that much, but they were accusing us of not only being logically wrong, but selfish and inhuman people as well. That's a huge insult when you think about it, so I feel no sympathy when I or anyone else gives them a hard time.
The problem with keeping our old system in place is cost increases. The cost per capita of healthcare in the US has risen more then inflation every year for more then 20 years. If it keeps doing that some time in the 2020's it will use up 50% of the average household income by some time before 2050 it will cost the average household more then it's entire income. Now luckily the rate of growth has slowed but it's still around 3% which again far outstrips inflation. So basically unless we can cut costs we all go bankrupt. The healthcare system will literally bankrupt the country.
Healthcare as a percentage of GDP is now closing in on 20% it was around 5% in the 60's. Think about that 20% of all economic activity in the US goes towards healthcare. It's simply not sustainable.
Agreed, the current system is far from what we should have. It's not UHC, and it surely isn't free market.
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I don't know if I would use the word "right", because that can be hard to define. But, I do think that people should not have to avoid medical treatment or check ups due to cost, so I say that we should have nationalized healthcare ala the UK's NHS
Healthcare shouldn't be a privilege, only available to those who can afford it. It shouldn't be used as a stick to motivate people to do better in life.
I believe everyone has a right to their health, it isn't something to be earned.
But all that, does not make it a basic human right, either. That just makes it a redistribution of wealth the way it plays out today.
The only basic human right you have to healthcare, is that in which you administer yourself, or obtain through bargaining of your value to the other party providing it.......
Nothing in life is free, including your life.
Only an idiot or a devious propagandist would think that my comments of liberty and freedom = anarchy. This is a common argument progressives make to attack, they are wrong, they are invalid which is why they often attack rather than attend to discussion.
False, only an idiot or someone deviously focused would attempt to think my position for liberty and freedom equates to anarchy. Only a lair or fool would equate the desire to be left alone, not forced to servitude equates to wanting such a society.
You seem to ignore (most communists do) the concept of individual collectivism. You don't understand that people of their own accord, without mandates, without subjugated calls by idiots and charlatans can actually work together to achieve results that benefit all who choose. The idea that a society of individuals who CHOOSE to take part is alien to you, because... you people only know forced servitude, the demand that people serve your naive demands under the lash. Such concepts of belief are born of naivety, of spoiled thinking, of those who have never had to earn, work or survive of their own accord.
Are you willing to kill to force people to your will? Are you willing to go to people, say "you must contribute or we will force you and kill you if you resist!"
Are you willing to do such?
If not, then run along, you are playing at your belief, you are hiding behind others. If you are not willing to kill another to defend your position, then you have none, you are just "playing" at belief, safe in your little spoiled society.
Red herrings and strawmen throughout this diatribe. I have no idea what you're blathering on about here.
I didn't say you called yourself an anarchist. I clearly stated that at least ONE OTHER POSTER did.
My point is that you guys claim to believe in being responsible and independent, but the truth is, you're not even close to being as independent as you'd like to believe you are. And many of you have enjoyed lots of government assistance.
Most of you have health insurance subsidized by your employers. If y'all are so strongly believe in everyone taking care of their own healthcare, why don't you pay for your OWN insurance? It's a simple question, tied directly to your "ideology."
I've met lots of "libertarians" and the like, and many tend to have similar traits. From what I've seen, lots of you tend to be pretty unhealthy. You wouldn't be able to pay for your own health insurance outright, because not only is it expensive for anyone, but also because you have PLENTY of pre-existing and/or chronic conditions (obesity, smoking and other addicitons, diabetes, heart disease, etc) that would make your individual health insurance costs sky high. And you know it.
Again, I'd be willing to buy your philosophy if you all practiced what you preached; if you all were more responsible with your own health so that you wouldn't need all the care you do tend to need, thereby driving up the costs of everyone else's health insurance. But, collectively, you don't practice what you preach.
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Note people in the last several responses, when they found their argument failed, they only comment in rhetoric and insult.
Rhetoric, insult, and name-calling are standard tactics in your posts. See your post above. I have never resorted to name calling. Don't have to. You do. You're also far more emotional in your posts, and you CHOOSE to become offended. I believe your camp would refer to you as a "snowflake"). And then you lash out.
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You are forgeting the antisemitism, the racism, the genocide of jews, the far right ideology, the fact that Hitler hated communism and how the opposers were jailed or killed
How does the left want that? Its far opposite actually
abtisemitism is what the liberals push
yes hitler hated the commies...
doesn't make it rightwing
liberals are to the left of democrats...does that make democrats right wing???
liberalism, communism, fascism, Marxism, Nazi-ism, all stem from progressivism ...all left wing
racism???... its the liberals that pushed eugenics....to abort black babies....
If we want to go down this silly little path, many prehistoric human tribes had medicine men and women and shamans who probably relied on bartering goods and services for treatment.
My "silly little path" as you so politely refer to it left you grasping with bartering. Is bartering not a form of payment? What if one had nothing with which to barter?
No one ever has a "right" which first requires taking from another in order for them to have that right. To suggest this means one must approve of and support servitude and slavery.
I have no "right" to demand a portion of what you have or what you earn in order to pay for my food or my water. If humans had such a "right" then how do some die of starvation or of dehydration?
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