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All this partisan posturing is camouflage for the real issue - the intrinsic tax that is part of the "Unaffordable" Care Act.
If they just REPEAL ObamaCare, it also wipes out that tax (which the Supremes ruled as "constitutional") and the compulsory requirement to buy insurance - or pay a tax penalty.
Of course, all insurance is gambling. They bet you won't get sick - you bet you will.
But once insurers have to cover pre-existing conditions, it ceases to be gambling.
Instead, it's a SUCKER POOL where the healthy pay for the sick.
And then there's that pesky issue of "voluntary" participation in Socialist InSecurity that makes the AHCA "legal." Remember, under American law, no endowed right can be subject to a tax. Only government privileges can be taxable. So when one volunteers into FICA, it comes with a host of taxes and obligations... which now includes mandatory private insurance.
If one is NOT a taxpayer, NOT a participant in SocSec, there is no way to penalize one who does not comply. That's why the Supremes ruled the whole mess as "constitutional." He who consents cannot object. The only remedy is to withdraw consent.
You didn't read the fine print when you signed up for FICA? OOPS.
Remember this - it is NOT insurance, and you didn't pay into a trust fund. It has long been law that there is no legal right to Social Security. In two important cases, Helvering v. Davis and Flemming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits. The benefits are entirely at the discretion of Congress.
Of course, if Americans withdrew from FICA, that would collapse the economy. But that's a whole nuther topic.
Easy.
Pay out of pocket. Cheaper than the deductible in some instances
Pay the penalty. Cheaper than the premiums.
Why not end it? Because millions of unemployed need hardworking people to be taxed to get by. Creates another bureaucracy to pay for more government employees and to keep one party or another relevant.
What I find hysterical...
Social Security is claimed to be going broke.
But welfare programs always seem to have funding...
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OK, and what do you do with the people who can no longer buy insurance because of pre-existing conditions? Let them die?
What about people who can no longer buy insurance because they don't have a spare two or three thousand dollars to throw around every month?
I know, the right wing solution is, "I have no empathy. I don't care. They deserve to die."
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Easy.
Pay out of pocket. Cheaper than the deductible in some instances
Pay the penalty. Cheaper than the premiums.
Why not end it? Because millions of unemployed need hardworking people to be taxed to get by. Creates another bureaucracy to pay for more government employees and to keep one party or another relevant.
What I find hysterical...
Social Security is claimed to be going broke. But welfare programs always seem to have funding...
So does our seemingly never ending series of asinine wars of choice having no benefit to the US.
I wish we could. But the cat is out of the bag now. People have bought into the notion that healthcare must be provided for by the government, and if you are poor you have bought into the idea that you cannot afford healthcare. So "somebody" has to pay.
When Obamacare was passed the future was told. Now and forever there must be a health care program for everyone, and the political parties will be forever counting - and courting - those who are left out.
OK, and what do you do with the people who can no longer buy insurance because of pre-existing conditions? Let them die?
What about people who can no longer buy insurance because they don't have a spare two or three thousand dollars to throw around every month?
I know, the right wing solution is, "I have no empathy. I don't care. They deserve to die."
Don't you wish they'd just say what they feel and mean, too? Their actions speak volumes, just say "We don't give a s*it about your health. It's your problem, chump." Instead McConnell, Turtle head, says that Obama care is "hurting the Middle Class." They think we all have tiny brains I guess. Projection.
All this partisan posturing is camouflage for the real issue - the intrinsic tax that is part of the "Unaffordable" Care Act.
If they just REPEAL ObamaCare, it also wipes out that tax (which the Supremes ruled as "constitutional") and the compulsory requirement to buy insurance - or pay a tax penalty.
Of course, all insurance is gambling. They bet you won't get sick - you bet you will.
But once insurers have to cover pre-existing conditions, it ceases to be gambling.
Instead, it's a SUCKER POOL where the healthy pay for the sick.
And then there's that pesky issue of "voluntary" participation in Socialist InSecurity that makes the AHCA "legal." Remember, under American law, no endowed right can be subject to a tax. Only government privileges can be taxable. So when one volunteers into FICA, it comes with a host of taxes and obligations... which now includes mandatory private insurance.
If one is NOT a taxpayer, NOT a participant in SocSec, there is no way to penalize one who does not comply. That's why the Supremes ruled the whole mess as "constitutional." He who consents cannot object. The only remedy is to withdraw consent.
You didn't read the fine print when you signed up for FICA? OOPS.
Remember this - it is NOT insurance, and you didn't pay into a trust fund. It has long been law that there is no legal right to Social Security. In two important cases, Helvering v. Davis and Flemming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits. The benefits are entirely at the discretion of Congress.
Of course, if Americans withdrew from FICA, that would collapse the economy. But that's a whole nuther topic.
If you want to truly REPEAL the ACA, you need 60 votes in the Senate to pass a law that says: nullify the ACA. Good luck with getting 60 votes when a majority of the country is against it.
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