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View Poll Results: Do you think the Trump Campaign and/or some of DJT's associates colluded with Russia to influence th
YES 77 58.78%
NO 48 36.64%
NOT YET SURE 6 4.58%
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:03 PM
 
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It's becoming increasingly obvious that while President Trump himself may not have, people within his inner circle (including his son Donald Jr and son in law Jared) did in fact, collude with Russia. Heck, Donald Jr. openly admitted it! How much more evidence is needed? Robert Mueller has the easiest job on Earth ... his suspects do his job for him!

The partisanship on here is insane. If Hillary Clinton did this (and won), the Republicans would be calling for a military coup. Hannity and Limbaugh would be riling up an armed mob outside the White House as I type this. Folks, this is OUR country. It shouldn't matter that this was about hurting Hillary, our country should be above our partisan politics!
She did, and it was far more extensive. Her campaign and the DNC colluded with the Ukrainan government to dig up dirt on Trump:

Everybody Is Forgetting That Clinton Allies D | The Daily Caller
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The only real collusion in the 2016 election is Hillary Clinton and the DNC to prevent Bernie Sanders (or any other Democrat who opposed her) from becoming the Democrat candidate.
That may have happenned too, but whether it did or not, its totally irrelevant to the topic of this thread.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Do you think the Trump Campaign and/or some of DJT's associates colluded with Russia to influence the US election?
It's rather absurd to ask. All staunch democrats, and progressives believe there is... with zero proof, being told over and over by Comey, Brennan, Feinstein, Schiff, Brooks and even Maxine Waters that there is no proof, over a year into the investigations!

This Democratic Senator Just Admitted There

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod.../#66251b6f242c

Trump: Russia probe will find 'no collusion' | TheHill



The left are gong out of their way to push this with zero evidence. They simply wish it to be true and are doing everything they can to make it so. It's a sad disgrace in reality, and will backfire on them.

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That may have happenned too, but whether it did or not, its totally irrelevant to the topic of this thread.
Actually it is relevant, because the smoke over Russia is actually a diversion from who the real criminals are.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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Nope, doesn't work that way, it's not legal, and the other side didn't and wouldn't do this. Al Gore got illegally obtained oppo research against Bush, and handed over to the FBI instead of using it.

Republicans have just proven for decades they are far far more corrupt and criminal than Democrats.
Except Hillary did exactly what Trump Jr. did and on a much larger scale:

Everybody Is Forgetting That Clinton Allies D | The Daily Caller

Her campaign and the DNC colluded with the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on Trump. And their coordination completely dwarfs anything Trump Jr. did.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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Why is it impossible to ask a direct question without getting a "yah but <insert name> did it to" as a response?

You either believe it is or you do not.

in fact in most cases by directly drawing these comparisons to others it is an admition of belief in such things being wrong or bad...

However people who seem to end up in this cycle of argument always end up demonizing one while defending the other.

This does not compute. The actions are bad regardless of whom is doing them

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Old 07-11-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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Nope, doesn't work that way, it's not legal, and the other side didn't and wouldn't do this. Al Gore got illegally obtained oppo research against Bush, and handed over to the FBI instead of using it.

Republicans have just proven for decades they are far far more corrupt and criminal than Democrats.
Oh please. Both parties are crooked and corrupt. It's hard to distinguish between the two. Look at the two presidential candidates. Both losers.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:46 PM
 
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WTH is legal collusion?
Legal collusion is when it's done by your side and they win.

So there's a bunch of scumbags in the Trump campaign that colluding with Russians to prove Hillary was a scumbag.

Then you have Hillary and the DNC colluding to steal the nomination, cheat at debates and other scumbaggery.

It's a wash.
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Old 07-11-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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Why is it impossible to ask a direct question without getting a "yah but <insert name> did it to" as a response?

You either believe it is or you do not.

in fact in most cases by directly drawing these comparisons to others it is an admition of belief in such things being wrong or bad...

However people who seem to end up in this cycle of argument always end up demonizing one while defending the other.

This does not compute. The actions are bad regardless of whom is doing them
Thank you. Clinton colluding with Ukraine is not ok either (if that did indeed happen). That being said, Hillary Clinton is not POTUS. We cannot impeach her and "So what? So-and-so did it too!" is not an answer. It's a deflection.

As far as lack of evidence, I would imagine (if there is any) it's probably in the possession of Mueller and his team. Federal investigations tend to be radio silence until they are ready to prosecute, then -and only then- do the floodgates open. I'm surprised that we have received as many leaks and info as we have though at least some of them have been outright false according to Comey during his testimony.
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