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It's amazing how the Dominos guy, Jimmy Johns guy, electric meter reader, gas meter reader, and USPS mail carrier can interact with dogs without needing to shoot, but the minute a cop sees a poodle, they feel the need to empty a magazine.
So if the cop is stupid enough to get In the wrong yard, it is the dog owner's fault? And there have been plenty of stories where they broke into the wrong house and shot a person. In Joplin a few months back, they thought a suspect was in a house, he wasn't, and they knocked the side out of the house. Now the city refuses to fix it. (They were not even at the right address.)
We aren't discussing those cases, we're discussing this one.
If I were a cop and a dog came at me I'm shooting it. Sorry.
You hop over the back fence if you are a cop because the burglars are going to run out that way in all probability. You see two dogs with lousy reps for aggression, no time to screw around with Spuds and Fido, you are answering a burglar alarm - bang! bang!
You hop over the back fence if you are a cop because the burglars are going to run out that way in all probability. You see two dogs with lousy reps for aggression, no time to screw around with Spuds and Fido, you are answering a burglar alarm - bang! bang!
Service dogs! Get something without a bad rep.
Service dogs should have been with the persons they service.
A yard dog is not a service dog. A yard dog might be a pet, but it's not a service dog.
It's amazing how the Dominos guy, Jimmy Johns guy, electric meter reader, gas meter reader, and USPS mail carrier can interact with dogs without needing to shoot, but the minute a cop sees a poodle, they feel the need to empty a magazine.
Look up stats on workplace dog bites. They happen quite frequently to service personnel. We just don't freak out and rant over it on the internet because media doesn't dredge it in flour, fry it up, and serve it to hungry newshounds like cop-involved stories.
What's up with the police feeling free to kill any dog they see under the guise of self protection? They're killing innocent animals for sport it seems.
These protectors need to be trained better.
The case that we examined here that happened down in Pahrump not long ago is the cop vs dog mine that's taken over. All dogs are considered to be a threat by mere presence and the fact that the police are on private property matters not.
If officers enter onto private property regardless of reason and encounter a dog (s) the animals are considered a threat out of hand and can be "neutralized" at officer discretion.
This is an interesting doctrine being as the police utilize dogs themselves. Dogs that are known to be, trained to be a threat. Four legged, fur bearing weapons. Weapons that are indiscriminate and have been known to leave the control of their handlers and go off the reservation, so to speak. However, if a police dog slips human control and attacks (which is an absolute gimme that it will attack with serious intent) the person being attacked has no right to defense. If a person injures or kills a police dog, regardless of circumstances, they may as well have injured or killed the human officer.
Privately owned animals have no such protection. Just barking and raising alarm (a dog's job and a hardwired response to intrusion) is "threat" enough for a lethal response. There are situations where dogs can be considered a grave threat out of hand. Drug houses guarded by mongrel bull breeds that have been conditioned to be more than aggressive and don't even recognize the control of their "owners" and are obviously there to rip any and all intruders to shreds.
However cops are treating ALL dogs in ALL circumstances as the latter. In the Pahrump case the officer entered the property through a closed gate, on a rural property that just screamed "dog on premises" and shot the dog pretty much on sight. Dispatch had been in contact with the resident, they had a contact number, but the officer made no attempt to make contact. He trespassed and killed the residents dog out of hand. Straight to his weapon. Sheesh, one may as well come out with a gun as have a dog where the cops are concerned.
Yet people still defend this. They are willing to give police a blanket authority to shoot all dogs on sight regardless of the reason they are in a dog's AO. How is it that cops just have the right of trespass regardless of circumstances? Don't the 4th amendment have any bearing at all? I didn't realize it had been modified to allow trespass out of hand and use of lethal force if encountering dogs (or even residents) who are unaware of who they are or why they are there. There's just a lot of holes in procedure here. Being secure in our persons and effects from warrantless intrusion by agents of the state went out with the Patriot Act. A piece of legislation that Obama promised to reexamine and that promise being one thing I actually agreed with on Obamas original platform. Oh it got reexamined alright. And was amended to give LE even more power to encroach on property and persons without any real probable cause. Assumption and suspicion are enough to go in guns blazing. The lady in this case will be lucky if the department doesn't level charges for assault on police with a deadly weapon. I really wish the cop apologists would be more objective about circumstances in cases like this. Maybe if it was their dog shot by a cop who just walks on their property through a closed gate on a canvas sweep for possible witnesses or has the wrong address the light might click on.
These dogs should have been in the house--or else the owners should not have had an alarm.
Do you let your dogs poop and pee in the house? Most people let their dogs out into the yard to do their business, or take their dogs for a walk for that purpose.
It's kind of silly to say (as some people have) that 'service' dogs should be in the house, and if they are outside they are not 'service' dogs.
One thing I do agree with is I would NEVER, never, never, never, ever, EVER have an alarm directly wired to auto call/have someone else call the police. Take any situation and add cops to it and 95% of the time it is going to do nothing but cause a pain in the ass at the very least and at the worst, well - those worst case civilian + police interaction examples are numerous and should be very clear by this point.
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