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Old 07-24-2017, 09:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by tamajane View Post
It shouldn't even matter. He didn't act as a father to the kid and the kid isn't his biologically. He's not the father so he should not have to pay.

All the men's groups should go loud on this, it gives them some credibility, because it is something people can understand and agree it is wrong.
Your right, it shouldn't but apparently the courts dont see it that way.
I agree this case and others like it are a perfect opportunity for men's advocacy groups to bring this to light and fight to adjust the law as well as to educate other men on the law.
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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nice guys sometimes do finish last.
They finish last a lot of the time. A minority but a good sized minority of my friends who have been cheated on, the wife/GF fell for a bad boy.

Most grew a spine at that point and divorced/ broke up. The ones that begged her to stop cheating.... ugh!
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: My House
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For the most part I agree, but once the DNA test confirms he isn't the dad, he should be let off the hook. He shouldn't be entitled to a refund of past payments. (Not implying he is trying to get a refund)
Generally, I agree, but most states that are supporting a mom because the father is not making payments aren't willing to give up that revenue (by way of a refund to the state).

And, that seems like what might be going on here.
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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wow...that's weird. In California the person owing support can file a motion to set aside for a support order based on a fraudulent claim and the parent who lied to the court can be charged with contempt. However, if you are married there is a presumption that the child is yours.
And if the mother legitimately thought this man was the father, and he didn't protest when the claim was first made against him and some of his wages were garnished, where's the fraud? She may have been mistaken but that doesn't mean she knowingly lied.
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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They finish last a lot of the time. A minority but a good sized minority of my friends who have been cheated on, the wife/GF fell for a bad boy.

Most grew a spine at that point and divorced/ broke up. The ones that begged her to stop cheating.... ugh!
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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And if the mother legitimately thought this man was the father, and he didn't protest when the claim was first made against him and some of his wages were garnished, where's the fraud? She may have been mistaken but that doesn't mean she knowingly lied.
If the timing was such that there was more than one guy, which there obviously was, then she couldn't know for sure. She just picked one to claim as father. Since there was a good chance he wasn't the father it would count as a lie.
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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What 2mares said.

Whose name is on the birth certificate? That's the father.

If he objects to paying child support, he needs to keep his pants zipped.

Or at least verify the woman uses BC.

He can go after her for fraud but proving it is going to be hard.

Pity the poor kid. The two parents need to be locked up.
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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They finish last a lot of the time. A minority but a good sized minority of my friends who have been cheated on, the wife/GF fell for a bad boy.

Most grew a spine at that point and divorced/ broke up. The ones that begged her to stop cheating.... ugh!
Could we also say that a good sized minority of good women have been cheated on when the husband/BF fell for the younger or hotter chick or whatever is the equivalent of bad boy?

And agree that as many good women/mothers have been left holding the bag when their husband/BF/father of their child(ren) refused to provide financial/parental help with their children?

Its really not a blame game it should be about enacting logical, fair laws involving CS, custody, paternity and parenting while still looking out for the best interest of the child.
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:36 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Men? If you are with a woman and you are not married to her, you need to get a DNA test if you don't want to pay child support. Period.
Men? Wear a condom if you're not married to your sexual partner. Seriously.
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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There is a mandatory paternity tests debate in another forum.

The debate is quite heated. In my humble opinion, mandatory paternity test is the ONLY way to prevent men from denying paternity and to prevent women from intentionally naming the wrong men as the fathers of their children/lying about the paternities of their children.

But we all know that ANYTHING mandatory is not going to happen in real life.
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