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None of this applies to only Ivy schools. Top-ranked state flagship universities can be very selective, as well.
I think the data is being conflated and inaccurately interpreted. Using 4 year degree completion as an outcome metric for enrollment in 2 year degree programs, and subsequently using that as a way to highlight drop out rates as an argument against AA in Ivy's, flagships, or even B schools, is a misuse of the data. People need to be careful.
I think the data is being conflated and inaccurately interpreted. Using 4 year degree completion as an outcome metric for enrollment in 2 year degree programs, and subsequently using that as a way to highlight drop out rates as an argument against AA in Ivy's, flagships, or even B schools, is a misuse of the data. People need to be careful.
If certain demographic groups, in general, can't hack it at a community college, what makes you think they are qualified for a selective admissions 4-year college?
Oriental are people from the Orient, which is what I mean. Not from anywhere in Asia.
I see that you're quite obstinate after being informed several times that Oriental is an archaic term that isn't used to refer to people? Not surprised, really.
What makes you think people don't know that Asians, in general, outperform everyone else academically?
And if eliminating Affirmative Action in college admissions removes the handicap placed on Asians for their high levels of achievement, how is that a bad thing? Why shouldn't college admissions be merit-based?
I did not make my first post clear so I will add this one. If whites think going strictly merit based is going to help them they will find out it will not. Blacks/hispanics make a much smaller percentage than Asians and Indians at elite schools. Removed AA and you will a decline in black/hispanic numbers but it will not surpass the increase in numbers that we will see with Asians/Indians. My point is Asians/Indians not whites will benefit the most with the removal of AA from elite schools. Ask a student at Stanford if you think this is not correct. In other words many whites are looking at the minorities who are taking their spots but don't understand they are taking a larger number of spots from Asian/Indian. Make everything equal and their numbers will drop at a larger rate than those of blacks/hispanics. If legacy admission was removed (it will never happen) those numbers would be even worse.
I did not make my first post clear so I will add this one. If whites think going strictly merit based is going to help them they will find out it will not. Blacks/hispanics make a much smaller percentage than Asians and Indians at elite schools. Removed AA and you will a decline in black/hispanic numbers but it will not surpass the increase in numbers that we will see with Asians/Indians.
Nope. Read Post #72 again and note the respective SAT score point bonuses and penalties. Asians aren't penalized as much as Blacks and Hispanics are propped up artificially.
Lol. So now whites will finally stop crying when minorities still get into institutions and eventually beat them out for jobs, like me.
Not to step on your happy dance, but admissions doesn't mean graduation. The dropout rate of college students is significantly higher among black students than it is white students.
Not to step on your happy dance, but admissions doesn't mean graduation. The dropout rate of college students is significantly higher among black students than it is white students.
I've long noted that there are huge problems with race-based Affirmative Action standards.
IRONICALLY I think it's increasingly bad for a lot of poorer black students to look at "black" instead of considering metrics like the school they attended, family income etc. because it's a whole lot easier to rock the SAT when you can do all the prep classes etc. instead of having to work 25 hours a week to help the family. (Same goes for other races)
You see more and more black youth coming into those schools with parents that are educated and nowhere near poor so those applicants would naturally squeeze out black applicants that were poorer and with less opportunity.
This phenomenon has even been noted and complained about within the black community when schools start giving slots to students applying from Africa and thus counting as black diversity.
Also noting that there are so many people out there that are 1/4 this, 1/4 that....I know all kinds of people that look white that have enough black\Mexican etc. in them to qualify for scholarships and fill out forms as non-whites...so frankly that stuff needs to go away and we need to focus on their personal background, economics etc.
Whites are treated on par, given neither a bonus nor penalized.
At a school like Stanford blacks make up 6% of the student body. Remove the athletes and that number would drop to about 4%. Whites make up 36% while Asians make up 21%. Base admissions on strictly merit and you find white students would suffer a hell of alot more than blacks base on the percentages. Whites would gain the 2% of the black spots but they would lose a hell alot more spots than 2% to Asian students.
At a school like Stanford blacks make up 6% of the student body. Remove the athletes and that number would drop to about 4%. Whites make up 36% while Asians make up 21%. Base admissions on strictly merit and you find white students would suffer a hell of alot more than blacks base on the percentages. Whites would gain the 2% of the black spots but they would lose a hell alot more spots than 2% to Asian students.
Show the math on that. Remember that there's a 50 point SAT score difference between Asians and Whites, and a 200 point difference between Blacks/Hispanics and Whites.
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