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.... the Trump administration said it had no broad plans to investigate whether college and university admissions programs discriminate against students based on race and that it was looking into a single complaint from a coalition of Asian-American groups filed in 2015. The coalition filed an administrative complaint against Harvard University, alleging that the school and other Ivy League institutions are using racial quotas that shut out high-scoring Asians.
Another thought...many of these private universities are oddly choosy about who they admit. They don't always admit the kids with the highest scores. They do want a mix of students in their schools. That mix can come in the form of educational background like a homeschooled kid who created a product to help on his family's farm or a poor kid from West Virginia who worked his tail off in high school and still maintained good grades or your typical rich kid.
This case presents an interesting juxtaposition.... If race-based discrimination is OK at private universities, why isn't LGBT Status-based discrimination OK at privately-held businesses?
Is income based "discrimination" okay?
Is experience based "discrimination" okay?
Is extra curricular activities or life history "discrimination" okay?
You act as if the Harvards of the world are merely choosing people off the street based on their skin color and that is not what is happening here.
I'm mocking the claim of discrimination because I personally think its BS. They weren't discriminated against. The rest of your post is moot since there is no discrimination in this case.
It's called de facto discrimination, and it's actionable.
Race-based affirmative action does nothing to lift even the most needy people of color. Will Smith kids get entry. The kid from the barrio has to compete with South American rich kids.
Top spots at Ivy leagues end up going to the already connected whites, who fill up the "white quota" because they're rich or on legacy.... which means disadvantaged white kids get no chance AT ALL. And then they let *just enough* Asians in, who are unfairly penalized for actually working harder than everyone else in the country.
No black person denied entry to Harvard because they don't make the grade is suffering discrimination. However, an otherwise qualified kid who DOES make the grade but is told there are already "too many who look like you" IS being discriminated against. How is that not blatantly obvious?
I could totally understand shifting the economic demographics of your school so that you catch TRUE diversity and address TRUE systemic disadvantage.... but you do not get to call yourself a fair person if you think people should EVER be treated differently based on the innate characteristics of their person, like their skin color. "Congratulations! You're black! So unique and wonderful! Don't worry about the grades, we pass everyone with an "A" anyway because alphabet grading is a tool of the white heteropatriarchy, and we are trying to de-colonize our school here at Harvard."
Utterly ridiculous. Or, better yet, based on your posts:
"I can't wait for white people to be a minority (conveniently forgetting Latino is not a race, of course)... serves white people right for creating and sustaining a country that attracts people of color due to its white western values. I can't wait for the US, Canada and Australia to be minority-majority, because everyone knows that countries where non-white people are the majority are WAY more progressive and equal and produce better outcomes than white countries!"
Do you people ever listen to how ABSURD and utterly retarded you sound when you talk like that?
ENOUGH. From now on, you DON'T GET TO TALK ABOUT WHITE RACISM until every place in this world where POC are the majority is even 1/2 as equal, free and provides as much opportunity and success for its minority populations as white majority countries.
10,000 kids apply for 1,000 openings and there will always be 9000 that are pizzed and felt they were discriminated against. I would not want the job of selecting who makes the cut. You are always going to make many people unhappy. A thankless job.
I'd have a minimum requirement for your name to go into a lottery. Then draw names. Harvard Lotto.
You're missing the point. These students are being lumped into groups of skin colors, then actively discriminated on based on those skin colors. These asians could have absolutely nothing in common except for their skin colors.
Either discrimination is bad or we say that it's okay. It can't be bad for some and ok for others. If it's okay then let's open the flood gates. If it's bad then it should be bad no matter what skin color of the person being discriminated.
Not exactly. Asians are not labeled by a skin color in the way that Africans (including descendants) are. Not everyone of African descent is an African-American. Often people who immigrate to the U.S. have to learn what it means to be "black." Often people have little in common except for darker skin and curly hair. Asians are often able to select/list their ethnicity and the same goes for Hispanics. The only minorties unable to do so are people of African origin because American culture has never given Africans the respect given to other groups.
If there's a problem with discrimination in any sense of the word, most people I know want to get to the bottom of it and get that problem fixed. It's the racists and white self-loathers who are absolutely gleeful when things like this happen.
Read the post John Rose left because it's filled with common sense. If Asians have gained admission into the Ivy League schools in greater numbers because they out-scored other groups and suddenly they're not getting in and those slots have been filled by URM's who have lower requirements for admission, then something has changed.
Either:
a) These schools have greatly increased the number of URM's they're letting in with lower requirements.
or
b) We've reached that point in time where URM's have now caught up so lower requirements are no longer needed and they should be done away with.
Either way, further investigation is needed so the appropriate change is made with regard to admissions.
Is extra curricular activities or life history "discrimination" okay?
You act as if the Harvards of the world are merely choosing people off the street based on their skin color and that is not what is happening here.
Race is a specifically protected class under the Federal Civil Rights Act.
LGBT Status, Income, "Experience," Extra-curricular activities participation... are not.
Therefore, my question about the very valid juxtaposition remains...
If race-based discrimination is OK at private universities, why isn't LGBT Status-based discrimination OK at privately-held businesses? Race is a Protected Class under the Federal CRA; LGBT Status is not.
Is extra curricular activities or life history "discrimination" okay?
You act as if the Harvards of the world are merely choosing people off the street based on their skin color and that is not what is happening here.
But they ARE. Skin colour is very much a factor with affirmative action situations. Blacks and Hispanics aren't academically as strong as the Asian and white applicants. For blacks and Hispanics, the admission standards are set much lower. Therefore the quality of the Harvard graduate who is black of Hispanic is less than a black or Hispanic Harvard graduate. It's what's happening all over the US in regards to any entrance exam, like to be a firefighter, police officer... the requirements are less for those who are black or Hispanic. Another example would be California wanting to waive the algebra requirement for community colleges. In trying to be more inclusive of non-Asian minorities, the application standards are lowered.
Black and Hispanic students aren't getting better at academics, it's just that the academic standards are getting lowered for them.
This is pretty interesting . Wonder what will happen with this probe.
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(CNN) Harvard College's admitted freshmen last year became the first class in the school's multi-century history comprised of mostly nonwhite students.
And again, for the second year in a row, the majority of students invited to attend the prestigious college this year identify as ethnic minorities.
Neither this year's class nor last year's made many headlines when the college initially released the data. But with the Department of Justice now investigating a discrimination complaint against the school, Harvard and its diverse array of students have been thrust into the national spotlight.
The complaint in question was filed by a coalition of 64 Asian-American associations in May 2015, DOJ spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said in a statement. The case rolled over from President Barack Obama's administration.
Probably by relatives of some disgruntled Asian-Americans who we have in the Work & Employment forum
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