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I think it may also have to do with the fact that a lot of those countries you study what your parents tell you you're going to study and parents like to pick subjects that make you more valuable as a employee, a marital prospect, or with job prospects in academics.
I think what we like to do in this country is tell women they have lots of choices and then slam them behind their backs or in front of their faces for making those choices. Tell them directly and indirectly that they don't belong and that their feminity has been compromised. But the whole time we like to tell them that they are so lucky to have all these choices.
Wouldn't traditional gender roles disqualify women from working in those fields.
Where did the chart come from and who is Claire Leahmann that we should take notice of her twitter?
She is the founder and editor of quillette Home - Quillette. It comes from The International Standard Classification of Education (ISCED)
Feminism is all about victimization, sex harassment law suits , stupid stuff like "womens studies". Its like in extremely feminist Nordic countries, you have the Nordic Gender Equality Paradox
"In one international ranking after another, Liberal nordic nations are shown to have few women among top-managers and business owners. Another surprise is that the three Baltic countries, which have more conservative societies and a more small-government approach than their Nordic neighbors, have more women managers, top executives and business owners.
In this book, Dr. Nima Sanandaji shows that the apparent paradox has a simple answer:
Nordic welfare states are – unintentionally – holding women back. Public sector monopolies and substantial tax wedges limit women’s progress in the labour market. Overly generous parental leave systems encourage women to stay home rather than work. Welfare state safety nets discourage women from self-employment. On the other hand, the much-avowed affirmative action laws in Norway have not helped further women’s career possibilities.
I think it may also have to do with the fact that a lot of those countries you study what your parents tell you you're going to study and parents like to pick subjects that make you more valuable as a employee, a marital prospect, or with job prospects in academics.
I think what we like to do in this country is tell women they have lots of choices and then slam them behind their backs or in front of their faces for making those choices. Tell them directly and indirectly that they don't belong and that their feminity has been compromised. But the whole time we like to tell them that they are so lucky to have all these choices.
Truth. There is very much truth in this post.
We tell women they can major in whatever they like, be whatever they want... then, when they choose it, we either tell them they're too ambitious or not ambitious enough.
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
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Am I reading that graph wrong...women in the USA are much more likely to have a BA or higher degree, just a smaller % of women who do go into STEM?
There is a point to be made about degrees like "gender studies" and "social justice" not being conducive to careers as a STEM degree, but is that not a point of pride that the US has many educated women even if in "other" fields.
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Or because the culture of these countries is such that men are more accepting of women in the sciences and women who want to go into STEM fields aren't belittled, harassed and scorned for "trying to act like men" as many are here in the good ole misogynistic USA.
Are you kidding me, how often does that happen?
There are scholarships specifically for women in STEM, affirmative action specifically for women in STEM, specific conferences and workshops for women in STEM, School functions to bring in women who have careers in STEM to meet with girl students, Nick Jr./Disney Jr./etc...that promote women in STEM with their programming, etc...
Google, Yahoo, and others specifically go out of their way to help women into STEM.
I honestly can't recall a single time in my life where I have ever actually heard any woman in real life get belittled to her face or behind her back for choosing STEM. Yet I can recall countless examples of things like my wife's company going out of their way to try and hire a STEM woman.
I think it may also have to do with the fact that a lot of those countries you study what your parents tell you you're going to study and parents like to pick subjects that make you more valuable as a employee, a marital prospect, or with job prospects in academics.
I think what we like to do in this country is tell women they have lots of choices and then slam them behind their backs or in front of their faces for making those choices. Tell them directly and indirectly that they don't belong and that their feminity has been compromised. But the whole time we like to tell them that they are so lucky to have all these choices.
They may get more tech degrees but what is the workplace culture like for them in those countries? Maybe they just put up with a lot of bs like we used to.
Just look through these forums and you can see if these posters actually act like they think/type, then everyone has to put up with a lot of BS, not just women.
Places without all the gender confusion and militant feminism like the home of marie curie, Poland, produce far higher percentages of female stem majors than the good ole feminist USA.
Probably because serious science and math majors are needed for the economy while we get feminist inspired crap like "womens studies" and tons of left wing garbage "social sciences" and these so called "strong independent" western feminists that suffer breakdowns at the use of sweetheart.
It doesnt surprise me so many eastern european countries also still have a much stronger sense of masculinity than the west and arent as accepting of the refugee and immigration invasion as an increasingly emasculated west
SCIENCE is a ticket to ride. All over the world if you want to get to a better economy science or marriage is the best way to do it. Those who can take hard sciences because there are jobs all over the west that pay very well indeed.
why are woman in ex soviet block nations taking science with a side serving of science? to get good paying jobs in richer countries...
Am I reading that graph wrong...women in the USA are much more likely to have a BA or higher degree, just a smaller % of women who do go into STEM?
There is a point to be made about degrees like "gender studies" and "social justice" not being conducive to careers as a STEM degree, but is that not a point of pride that the US has many educated women even if in "other" fields.
Are you kidding me, how often does that happen?
There are scholarships specifically for women in STEM, affirmative action specifically for women in STEM, specific conferences and workshops for women in STEM, School functions to bring in women who have careers in STEM to meet with girl students, Nick Jr./Disney Jr./etc...that promote women in STEM with their programming, etc...
Google, Yahoo, and others specifically go out of their way to help women into STEM.
All the time in ways big and small in homes, K-12, college and the work place. The presence of the things you mention, while nice, don't really mean much in the face of overt and/or unintentional discouragement of parents, teachers, classmates and coworkers. If you're really interested in what's happening academically to girls, just Google "Girls discouraged in Academics" and read any one of the many articles and studies that come up.
Just look through these forums and you can see if these posters actually act like they think/type, then everyone has to put up with a lot of BS, not just women.
BS is part of life, and always will be.
rubbish you are merely trying to defend attacking and belittling women because you are most likely afraid you don't measure up.
i think most of the guys here who put women down all the time, are just weak guys who are afraid their wives/partners will leave them if they have their own income and security.
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