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The enemy of my enemy is my friend, comes to mind.
The "fringe right" might be misguided, incorrect and even dummies and losers, or they may not be.
But they are not generally criminals or violent as the left. They never did anything to me. They are conservatives of American demographics, and some of its culture.
The left seeks to silence, discredit and blacklist the alt-right, so that they can silence and discredit all of the right.
Look, I hear you conservatives when you say that you are not a racist and don't support KKK and such.
But then I see a clear pattern of bias here over the past few days:
(1) You seem to assume that the white supremacist/nationalist protesters were peaceful and all the violence was instigated by counter-protesters. Why would you make this assumption? Do the KKK, neo-Nazi, and skinhead orgs have a history of violence? Sure they do. Ya really think they all have a peaceful agenda? It was a chaotic, fluid situation over multiple blocks with a bunch of people involved. Do you really know that it was all Antifa who started the violence? I'm confident that the rational answer is: in some cases the counter-protesters attacked first; in others the protesters attacked first. But why do you guys just assume ALL the violence is on the counter-protesters?
I haven't seen this assumption made by the majority of posters.... What I HAVE seen is that people said BOTH sides were to blame. I've also seen where many have said that while they don't agree with the white supremacists... they have the right to assemble in protest. They've also said that every other hate group shares in that right as an American citizen. After all, that is a First Amendment right under the Constitution. However, they have denounced violence. The main comments I see made are that if you don't like the content of the protest, LEAVE. Don't start fighting.
You may be seeing a pattern of bias, because you have a bias.
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(2) You seem to position white supremacist/nationalist ideology as just another viewpoint on the spectrum of normal views that should not be harshly judged by mainstream society. A lot of hand-wringing over how white racists have gotten called out and how we are not being fair to their freedom of expression. Just because we ALLOW free speech doesn't mean we as a society shouldn't ACCEPT AND NORMALIZE all viewpoints without judgment and condemnation. That goes for extremist leftist stuff too, but it certainly goes for ideologies that peddle different treatment of people based on a perceived racial hierarchy. It should be a non-partisan issue that this kind of racist ideology not broadly take hold in our society.
And yes, liberals are of course biased towards counter-protesters, but this is more an expression of opposition of white supremacist ideology than a specific support of any counter-protesting group. I'm sure there were bad people in the counter-protesters. I don't support Antifa; I oppose racist white supremacists. That's the difference.
No one has said it cannot be harshly judged. But does that judgment include trial and execution on site? We do NOT have to accept their viewpoints. We can easily ignore them if people's emotions and personal agendas stay out of the way. A fire won't burn without fuel.
I oppose white supremacists, antifa, BLM, and any other organization whose goal in protest is to incite violence and upheaval in our society. I don't care what color, gender, religion or nationality that you are and I don't care what you believe in. Believe anything you want as long as it doesn't cause physical harm to the country.
I think a lot of posters feel the same way. The difference with the conservatives you speak of are that we understand the key differences and understand HOW to address them.
The "fringe right" might be misguided, incorrect and even dummies and losers, or they may not be.
But they are not generally criminals or violent as the left. They never did anything to me. They are conservatives of American demographics, and some of its culture.
The left seeks to silence, discredit and blacklist the alt-right, so that they can silence and discredit all of the right.
Are you a white conservative? If so, that may have something to do with the fact that white supremacists/nationalists would not be out to "do something to you."
Also, I find it hard to say that groups that support what Nazis did and who have a rich history of cross burnings and hanging black people from trees are "not as violent as the left."
And this is my whole point: you disavow the racists on one hand and then immediately make excuses for them and and defend them on the other. The bias seems clear.
Are you a white conservative? If so, that may have something to do with the fact that white supremacists/nationalists would not be out to "do something to you."
Also, I find it hard to say that groups that support what Nazis did and who have a rich history of cross burnings and hanging black people from trees are "not as violent as the left."
And this is my whole point: you disavow the racists on one hand and then immediately make excuses for them and and defend them on the other. The bias seems clear.
Whites of all creeds commit the lowest interracial violence. Hispanics and blacks much more and more violence in general.
I disavow violence and dishonesty and hatred. I am biased to my group as most everyone is and do not disavow everything the left categorizes as "racist". My group is the best thing for me as dictated by nature whether I like it or not.
I haven't seen this assumption made by the majority of posters.... What I HAVE seen is that people said BOTH sides were to blame. I've also seen where many have said that while they don't agree with the white supremacists... they have the right to assemble in protest. They've also said that every other hate group shares in that right as an American citizen. After all, that is a First Amendment right under the Constitution. However, they have denounced violence. The main comments I see made are that if you don't like the content of the protest, LEAVE. Don't start fighting.
You may be seeing a pattern of bias, because you have a bias.
No one has said it cannot be harshly judged. But does that judgment include trial and execution on site? We do NOT have to accept their viewpoints. We can easily ignore them if people's emotions and personal agendas stay out of the way. A fire won't burn without fuel.
I oppose white supremacists, antifa, BLM, and any other organization whose goal in protest is to incite violence and upheaval in our society. I don't care what color, gender, religion or nationality that you are and I don't care what you believe in. Believe anything you want as long as it doesn't cause physical harm to the country.
I think a lot of posters feel the same way. The difference with the conservatives you speak of are that we understand the key differences and understand HOW to address them.
A bit arrogant, eh? Only you have the answers?
It seems as though there's a lot of that going around🙈🙉🙊
You have to know some of them are in agreement with the racists/kkk/skinheads. The ones out there marching for white lives matter etc. They claim to be against them but quietly appreciate them doing the foot work and the dirty work.
Just like Liberals tend to sympathize with Muslim terrorists. At least Trump and the GOP have called out White Supremacists. Liberals still refuses to acknowledge radical Islam and terrorism.
I defend the right of all citizens to peacefully and lawfully assemble.
I believe the groups-in-question had a valid permit to hold their event. There are a lot of people who's family-history is linked to the confederacy.......a lot of those people are not KKK/Skinhead/White supremacists/White nationalists.
Why are groups like the skinheads, neo-Nazis and KKK who have a history of violence, murder and terrorism allowed to publicly assemble and demonstrate? Don't such groups fit the definition of a terrorist organization? It's like giving ISIS a permit to march.
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Conservatives say they don't support white supremacists but seem biased toward them
The US government has always been very conservative and biased toward right-wing groups.
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