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Old 08-24-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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I'm of the generation who came of age amid the unrest of the late Sixties, and I can speak from experience that the people advocating for "progressivism"/Liberalism had a lot more heroes/martyrs back then:

Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy were the most prominent, but there was Medgar Evers, Viola Liuzzo and a number of acolytes.

Not to forget Goodman/Schwenner/Chaney (Mississippi Burning), the four demonstrators killed at Kent State, and the three at Jackson State.

But these individuals, with the exception of the two prominent public figures and two Kent State students probably felled by stray bullets, were all self-styled "activists" and with the exception of the two national figures, had little or no prominence.

In comparison, only one person -- Heather Hyer -- can be clearly categorized as a fallen hero of the Left, or a deliberate target of the "organized" so-called right wing in recent years (Yes, Lefties, I'm aware of Dylan Roof, but Roof acted alone and without deliberate and/or direct provocation of any kind).

The point I seek to make here is that Antifa, or at least some of its leadership needs victims and martyrs to fire up its mostly young (and impressionable) potential following.

And this is really nothing new; I can recall seeing flyers for "Attica Brigade" -- a group which advocated confrontation, in my own undergraduate days. The campus conservative groups countered with an explanation of the "martyrdom strategy". (And in fairness, the possibility of personal harm was admitted by the "recruiters"); campus conservatives usually countered with an examination of the "strategy of martyrdom".

https://www.marxists.org/history/ero...a-brigade.html

Guess they just don't make martyrs (and suckers) like that as easily as they did back then.

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Old 08-24-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Guess they just don't make martyrs (and suckers) like that as easily as they did back then.
You can say that again.

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Old 08-24-2017, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Yes.
Both sides always can use a martyr or two.

You're right in pointing out the difference between the Charlottesville riot and Dylan Roof.

I don't think any law abiding American loves the deadly lone wolves like Roof, and they will never have any organized support.

But when groups are organized and someone becomes a martyr, an incident can and does rise to a higher cause that is not soon forgotten by all sides.
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Old 08-24-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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it's too bad Antifa can't be inspired by the Buddhist monks during the Vietnam war.
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Old 08-24-2017, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Someone will push a bit harder and they'll have a Horst Wessel in no time...
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Old 08-24-2017, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Gone
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it's too bad Antifa can't be inspired by the Buddhist monks during the Vietnam war.
They plan on burning something else than themselves. As for martyrs, the right has theirs already, such as LaVoy Finicum, and will get more, so it looks as both sides are ramping up.
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