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Old 09-19-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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Your article makes zero sense.

Another suspect among the trio charged with carrying out a murder with a San Francisco police officer’s stolen gun was believed not to be in the country legally , immigration authorities announced late Friday.

Believed? So they don't really know?

Earlier Friday, U.S. immigration officials confirmed a report by NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit that one of the men accused in the Aug. 15 murder, 18-year-old Erick Garcia-Pineda, was facing deportation and had been under GPS monitoring since April.

If he was facing deportion, they did know? If they did know, why was he running around on the streets?

According to the agency’s statement, Garcia-Pineda was “released with the requirement that he wear a GPS monitoring bracelet and report to ICE in-person on a regular basis.”

Based on the tracking information, it appeared “Garcia-Pineda was complying with terms of his release until August when he failed to appear for his scheduled appointment with ICE.” /


Is this how ICE works? When someone is here illegally they are simply monitored? Is it really any wonder cities do NOT want to go to the expense of holding and keeping track of people if this is what ICE does?

He was here illegally and ICE responded by a monitor? This is what we are paying for?
No but that's how judges work cause it was a judge that released him and required the monitor.
It's right there in that article link I posted.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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No, the Constitution does.
For foreign invaders? No, it does not. The ankle bracelet should have been left on. SF Police violated Federal Law when they removed it.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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The monitoring company would have gotten an alert with the location when it was removed, I'm not sure why ICE is playing coy about that part.
They're not playing coy.

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ICE said a contractor received a tamper alert on Aug. 19 but authorities couldn’t find him. ICE told the man’s attorney that his client should report to them immediately.


The sheriff’s department says Garcia-Pineda was wearing the ankle bracelet when he was arrested on Sept. 3 on misdemeanor battery charges and deputies removed it. ICE says the Sheriff’s Department ignored a request to block his release from jail that day.
San Francisco: Illegal Alien a Suspect in Murder Case
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:17 PM
 
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ICE should have gotten an arrest warrant, all it requires is a phone call to a federal judge. The problem is that ICE detainers do not meet the the requirements of the 4th amendment, numerous state courts have ruled that they are unconstitutional and recently a federal judge decided the same thing;

“In short, the county’s assumption that probable cause must exist to detain any individual for whom it receives an ICE detainer request was unreasonable. Its routine detention of such individuals made it inevitable that it would engage in warrantless detention of individuals who were not suspected of any criminal offense, but who became the subjects of ICE detainer requests either because they fell within a noncriminal…enforcement priority or because a detainer request was lodged despite their nonpriority status.”
https://lawnewz.com/immigration/fede...onstitutional/

DHS needs to fix this, it's been a problem for decades. No jail anywhere in the US will refuse to hold a person on a judicial warrant, why can't ICE see fit to obtain them? Do their cases lack probable cause and they realize that no judge would sign the warrants, or are they just lazy?
It seems that SF has their own rules regarding detaining illegals so that needs to be straightened out as well.

No wonder criminals are walking the streets. No agency wants to play nice with another agency and they all have different rules.

This whole process of handling illegal criminals (at city, state and federal level) seems to be a mess and worse in sanctuary cities.

You would have thought though that a GPS monitor on his leg would have been cause enough to think twice about releasing him though.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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Is that a little bit like declaring, "One would think New York City wouldn't be so careless with the twin towers"?
No, not at all. A police officer should know better than to leave a gun unattended in his unmarked car.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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For foreign invaders? No, it does not. The ankle bracelet should have been left on. SF Police violated Federal Law when they removed it.
Yes it does. Every single person in the United States has the full protection of the Constitution until going through due process and proven guilty of something.

Every single one.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:59 PM
 
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Yes it does. Every single person in the United States has the full protection of the Constitution until going through due process and proven guilty of something.
Foreign invaders do not. They're not supposed to be in the US at all, so don't have that right. That's why they can be turned away at the US border without due process. Foreign tourists and those with work or student visas do, however.
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Old 09-19-2017, 07:01 PM
 
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Foreign invaders do not. They're not supposed to be in the US at all, so don't have that right. Foreign tourists and those with work or student visas do, however.
They do. It's why they all get a hearing. They can not be kicked out until a court decides they are here illegally.
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Old 09-19-2017, 07:10 PM
 
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They do. It's why they all get a hearing.
That shouldn't be happening. Foreigners land at US international airports on US soil all the time and are deported without a hearing. Ask me how I know. Used to live 20 minutes from O'Hare.

Technically, they're on US soil. But they're there illegally. They have no right to a trial.
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Old 09-19-2017, 07:11 PM
 
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Your article makes zero sense.

Another suspect among the trio charged with carrying out a murder with a San Francisco police officer’s stolen gun was believed not to be in the country legally , immigration authorities announced late Friday.

Believed? So they don't really know?

Earlier Friday, U.S. immigration officials confirmed a report by NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit that one of the men accused in the Aug. 15 murder, 18-year-old Erick Garcia-Pineda, was facing deportation and had been under GPS monitoring since April.

If he was facing deportion, they did know? If they did know, why was he running around on the streets?

According to the agency’s statement, Garcia-Pineda was “released with the requirement that he wear a GPS monitoring bracelet and report to ICE in-person on a regular basis.”

Based on the tracking information, it appeared “Garcia-Pineda was complying with terms of his release until August when he failed to appear for his scheduled appointment with ICE.” /


Is this how ICE works? When someone is here illegally they are simply monitored? Is it really any wonder cities do NOT want to go to the expense of holding and keeping track of people if this is what ICE does?

He was here illegally and ICE responded by a monitor? This is what we are paying for?
When I worked in law enforcement most jails were honoring ICE detainers, but half the time ICE simply didn't bother picking the people up so they sat in jail for up to 5 days which was the max that ICE could hold them (48 hours not counting weekends and court holidays) There have been a number of lawsuits filed against jails who held people on ICE detainers, to name a few: Clackamas County Oregon Farmington NM, Jefferson County Colorado So Sessions threatens to cut off grant money to agencies who refuse to honor ICE detainers but when they honor them they get sued.

And the feds release people with an ankle monitor and then ICE doesn't even bother to respond to the alert when it was removed I feel horrible about the victims but ICE has caused most of this problem no matter how much they try to blame everyone else

Listen to what ICE had to say about their failure to arrest Garcia-Pineda in August, it will make you sick
Go to 1:50 of the video
ICE Confirms Teen Accused of Stealing San Francisco Police Officer
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