Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay (Ohio, documents, arsenal)

[JAMS14]

Originally Posted by aslowdodge

Hmmm most people grow angrier with every mass shooting.
If you grow more apathetic then you really don't care about human life as much as you say you do.
Just when it suits you. Sounds like maybe you want to appear what you are not, morally superior to all others that don't agree with you.
Makes me wonder why you are even arguing with everyone on this thread.

Preach the bolded above to the gun lovers. They are the ones who have demonstrated they don't care about human life, at least not as much as they care about their guns.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by man4857

Or how about we get rid of the guns? Problem solved ....

Well banning things or making them illegal has never been tried before in this country so we don't really know if it will be effective but gosh golly I have a good feeling about your plan working out perfectly.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by t206

How is it misleading? Mine is from 2012, yours is from 2003. Feel free to give me a total number of states that as per the original quote





Go ahead and provide the list of the 26 (most being more than half of 50) states that require an eye test at EVERY renewal (not just after a certain age) as the original claim states.

It's misleading because the information is incomplete. I clicked on your link and it said nothing about Arkansas requiring a vision test. And yet, living in Arkansas, I knew that you did have to pass a vision test at each renewal. I did a little more research, and I stand by my post. While some states allow people to renew their licenses without actually reporting to the DMV, so it's possible to renew without a vision test, at some point they require a person to come in. Alaska has a 5-year cycle. You can renew by mail every other time, so every 10th year you have to have a vision test. Arizona, every 12th year. Arkansas, every time you renew. Colorado, every time you renew. Connecticut, every other renewal. Delaware, every time you renew. DC, every time you renew. Florida, every time you renew. Hawaii, every time you renew. Georgia, every other renewal. Idaho, you can renew by mail every other time, so every 8th year you have to have a vision test. Illinois, every other time you renew. Indiana, every renewal. Iowa, every renewal. Kansas, every renewal. Louisiana, every renewal. Maryland, every renewal. Massachusetts, every renewal. Michigan, every other renewal. Minnesota, every renewal. Missouri, every renewal. Montana, every renewal. Nebraska, every renewal. Nevada, every other renewal. New Hampshire, every renewal. New Jersey, every 10 years. New Mexico, every renewal. New York, every renewal. North Carolina, every renewal. Ohio, every renewal. Oregon, every renewal. Rhode Island, every renewal. South Carolina, every renewal (SC allows renewal by mail, but if renewing by mail, you must submit a eye doctor report along with your application). South Dakota, every renewal. Virginia, every other renewal. Washington, every renewal. Wisconsin, every renewal. Wyoming, every renewal.

[rstevens62]

Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian

Yeah, like the one's in Orlando who couldn't put any hits on target while the shooter was outside the club and surrounded by SWAT?

I have done the quarterly weapon certs in law enforcement, and I have seen how the new and improved "diversity" thinking in police forces has dumbed down even the specialized organizations and specialties where weapons skills are concerned (like the new FBI pistol tactical course, which is a total joke)...and as the one poster said, a sniper shots that precise would require a marksman skillset hat very few people, much less police forces, are equipped with.

Even had they been already employed in various locations, by the time the source of the shooting was identified, the sniper readied to actually engage the target and the order given to fire...that shooter being totally indiscriminate and just making sure they got rid of as many bullets as fast as possible into a giant crowd was still going to kill a bunch of people.

The only way you could possibly prevent this is to simply outlaw crowds. The crafty sociopath will find a way to perpetrate their evil, especially when they totally don't care about their own life.

Something I find interesting, when 9-11 happened, all the sudden, everyone realized how easy a target planes are for being used in an attack, I even speculated eventually another large attack would happen and they would use a method or tactic that surprised everyone..surprise, it happened, now its big crowds, hotel rooms on high floors, etc.

So after new regulations and laws are put in place to deal with these 'loopholes of safety', Id put money that the next attack will employ something else, something that comes as a surprise to everyone. Eventually the US is not going to look like the nation it once was, and I think if it is indeed terrorism and not false flag, that is the ultimate goal, to force us to erode our freedoms and have the people accept it at the same time.

[dman72]

I'm thinking the companies that manufactured the bump stocks that the killer used should have their asses sued into oblivion. They intentionally provided a tool to increase lethality as means to circumvent automatic weapons laws. Low lives, whoever manufacture these. I hope those POS's sleep well knowing that they helped him kill people.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by NY_refugee87

Arm and train the teachers. Solves that problem quick. A Brinks bank truck offers more reward to attack than a school, yet there are armed guards aboard removing incentive. wonder why they aren't attacked... Oh that's right. Armed guards. duh...

Oh yes because my grandson's 65 year old kindergarten teacher will save the entire classroom with her gun. Give me a break...why do you think teachers would want to carry guns around in the classroom or that parent's would send their kids to schools where the teachers spend the day carrying a gun around? Armed guards - sure, but who's going to pay for it?

"The price of implementing the NRA’s proposal to place an armed security guard in every school building in the nation is nearly $13 billion a year. The opportunity cost to taxpayers for fully protected schools can reach $23 billion. The cost per student approaches $500 and would take up half of federal spending on elementary and secondary education if paid for by the federal government."
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf

[dman72]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Oh yes because my grandson's 65 year old kindergarten teacher will save the entire classroom with her gun. Give me a break...why do you think teachers would want to carry guns around in the classroom or that parent's would send their kids to schools where the teachers spend the day carrying a gun around? Armed guards - sure, but who's going to pay for it?

"The price of implementing the NRA’s proposal to place an armed security guard in every school building in the nation is nearly $13 billion a year. The opportunity cost to taxpayers for fully protected schools can reach $23 billion. The cost per student approaches $500 and would take up half of federal spending on elementary and secondary education if paid for by the federal government."
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf

Gun fetishists sick hobby supersedes all other rights and should be the main focus of policy. They can't save us from the evil government if you regulate them in any way.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by cuebald

Certainly one of the overriding concerns in suburban America. Thanks for clearing that up.

An armed gang breaks into your suburban home. You call the police. How long do you think it will take them to get there? And how do you avoid a hostage situation when they show up well after the armed criminals are already on site?

Here's what nearly everyone is missing about the police: They investigate crimes that have already been committed and enforce the law. They DO NOT prevent crimes from happening, NOR is that their responsibility.

You better be prepared to defend yourself and your loved ones against armed intruders/attackers, or kiss your asses goodbye.

[JAMS14]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Oh yes because my grandson's 65 year old kindergarten teacher will save the entire classroom with her gun. Give me a break...why do you think teachers would want to carry guns around in the classroom or that parent's would send their kids to schools where the teachers spend the day carrying a gun around? Armed guards - sure, but who's going to pay for it?

"The price of implementing the NRA’s proposal to place an armed security guard in every school building in the nation is nearly $13 billion a year. The opportunity cost to taxpayers for fully protected schools can reach $23 billion. The cost per student approaches $500 and would take up half of federal spending on elementary and secondary education if paid for by the federal government."
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf

The gun lovers' solution to too much gun violence in America is more guns. Yep, that truly is as stupid as it sounds. But this is the mentality that is in control in the U.S., so we can all expect more and more gun violence as time goes on unless sanity prevails.

Which doesn't seem likely at this point.

[t206]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

It's misleading because the information is incomplete. I clicked on your link and it said nothing about Arkansas requiring a vision test. And yet, living in Arkansas, I knew that you did have to pass a vision test at each renewal. I did a little more research, and I stand by my post. While some states allow people to renew their licenses without actually reporting to the DMV, so it's possible to renew without a vision test, at some point they require a person to come in. Alaska has a 5-year cycle. You can renew by mail every other time, so every 10th year you have to have a vision test. Arizona, every 12th year. Arkansas, every time you renew. Colorado, every time you renew. Connecticut, every other renewal. Delaware, every time you renew. DC, every time you renew. Florida, every time you renew. Hawaii, every time you renew. Georgia, every other renewal. Idaho, you can renew by mail every other time, so every 8th year you have to have a vision test. Illinois, every other time you renew. Indiana, every renewal. Iowa, every renewal. Kansas, every renewal. Louisiana, every renewal. Maryland, every renewal. Massachusetts, every renewal. Michigan, every other renewal. Minnesota, every renewal. Missouri, every renewal. Montana, every renewal. Nebraska, every renewal. Nevada, every other renewal. New Hampshire, every renewal. New Jersey, every 10 years. New Mexico, every renewal. New York, every renewal. North Carolina, every renewal. Ohio, every renewal. Oregon, every renewal. Rhode Island, every renewal. South Carolina, every renewal (SC allows renewal by mail, but if renewing by mail, you must submit a eye doctor report along with your application). South Dakota, every renewal. Virginia, every other renewal. Washington, every renewal. Wisconsin, every renewal. Wyoming, every renewal.

So a quick spot check tells me that your information contains inaccuracies, not sure what your source is bu here are a few corrections:

The NJ 10 year policy is incorrect, its on the books and not at all enforced, you can push back since I don't have a source, but since I've been a licensed driver here for about 30 years, I speak from experience, and I don't know anyone who has been subject to this among friends, family, or co-workers

For Ohio they don't state anything about eye tests
State of Ohio BMV

New Hampshire:
https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/...enewal/faq.htm
Will I be required to get an eye exam for this renewal?
If you are eligible for the online renewal process, no vision examination is required. However, you will be required to certify that your vision has not significantly declined since your last license renewal.

Montana:
https://dojmt.gov/driving/driver-licensing/#DLID13
They specifically call out vision tests for new licenses, but mention nothing about it for renewals

Long story short, I'm not sure where your info came from but I find some of it suspect. Id be happy to be proven wrong because I do think its a legitimate process to have people get vision tests, but from everything I'm coming across its certainly not "most states" and at "every" renewal.