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Might want to take a look at countries like Australia that heavily restricted guns and haven't had a mass shooting in 21 years. Almost every other developed nation has heavy gun restriction, and their gun violence is astronomically lower than ours.
So yes, it works all over the world.
Americans aren't going to turn their guns in. However in other countries many of the same with strict gun laws speech is more heavily regulated also, do you agree with their stance on that as well?
Nope, that wasn't the intention. The founders never intended ordinary citizens to have military grade weapons. They intended well regulated state militias to be able to use muskets and other weapons of the day to protect the individual states.
The Founders absolutely never imagined the power that guns would have in modern times, and they never would have approved of individual citizens collecting 50 semi and automatic weapons to gun down concerts.
That is not the original intention of the 2nd Amendment, and the current state of this country would absolutely be opposed by the Founders. You are wrong.
And lol at individual citizens having nuclear weapons. What a ridiculous notion. So instead of the idiot in Vegas murdering 59 people, he can destroy New York City and 22 million.
Logic not even once.
You are clueless. WE are the militia. The common citizen, not the National Guard. You aren't a mind reader to know what the Founding Fathers believed. Maybe read the Constitution, and some supporting documents.
You don't get it. There are millions of law abiding people who own the sporting rifle known as the AR15. Many of them were members of the military who enjoyed shooting and want to take their guns to the range to keep up with their skills.
It is a great firearm for women to own and shoot due to its low recoil compared to other guns.
It is not about a robber breaking into your house in the middle of the night. In fact in many states if a robber did break in and you shot him you would be in more trouble then the criminal and your life would be turned upside down while you tried to keep yourself out of prison.
Most gun owners have no Rambo illusions but they want to be prepared just in case and they want to be able to protect their families.
It is true that there isn't much a single man or even a group could do against a modern army BUT if it came right down to it and we faced a tyrannical power we could learn from the insurgents in the Middle East on how to fight an over powering occupying army.
What I don't understand is how so many of the Dems who would ban all guns are the same ones that call Trump a modern day Hitler. One of the first things that Hitler did in his rise to madness was to disarm the public.
Another disparity in your arguement is that the Gov. could shut down all gun activity now but sadly that doesn't happen. Obama had 8 years to stop the violence in the inner cities like Detroit and Chicago but they are still murdering each other like crazy. If Trump proposed going in to remove the illegal guns the Left would flip out. What can be done?
Guns in the hands of the private citizen is a Right, a Freedom that is totally American and our Heritage.
lifelong hunter. Dad and grand-dad lifelong hunters. Quail, doves, turkey, ducks, geese, deer, elk. Oh yeah, rabbits and squirrels. Never needed more than 4 rounds at a time for birds, small game and 2 for large game.
A hunter shouldn't need a 10 round magazine.
Hitler lowered the age for possession of guns and then he distributed hundreds of thousands of them and snappy looking uniforms to wear when they`re carrying them. Next?
I heard a gun enthusiast describe using a bump stock on a cheap rifle like an AR is like putting $5000 rims on a Civic. It's for people who want to think they're cool but are too poor for the real deal.
Either we need to return to the original intention of the 2nd Amendment, or it needs to be repealed.
Should we return to the original intention of the 14th?
There are quite a few things we drifted away from. Our forefathers never wanted a nanny state either.
lifelong hunter. Dad and grand-dad lifelong hunters. Quail, doves, turkey, ducks, geese, deer, elk. Oh yeah, rabbits and squirrels. Never needed more than 4 rounds at a time for birds, small game and 2 for large game.
A hunter shouldn't need a 10 round magazine.
You dont want more than a 10 round magazine, dont buy a gun with one. See how easy that was?
How about A Ban on murder? Oh wait, that ban has already existed for thousands of years but some people choose to ignore it.
You have to remember that any time you put a ban on anything, an underground market will materialize.
Exactly. The market will meet the demand. Weapons will enter the country illegally just like people do. Mules (illegals) will be packing when the illegally cross the border.
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The original intent of the Second Amendment was that legal citizens could posses arms that were equivalent to the government which could possibly become tyrannical. Therefore we'd be allowed tanks, bombs, armed aircraft, nuclear weapons, full auto rifles, etc.
We have thousands of gun laws on the Federal, State, and Local levels. We don't need more as criminals will just ignore those as well.
People thinking that a ban on guns are brainwashed, and won't listen to reason or facts. We have a law against murder already, and illegally entering the country, drunk driving (which took over 10,000 lives in 2015, yet we still sell alcohol), etc. Laws help honest, law-abiding in the first place people not break the laws, otherwise known as the ever growing minority.
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Nope, that wasn't the intention. The founders never intended ordinary citizens to have military grade weapons. They intended well regulated state militias to be able to use muskets and other weapons of the day to protect the individual states.
The Founders absolutely never imagined the power that guns would have in modern times, and they never would have approved of individual citizens collecting 50 semi and automatic weapons to gun down concerts.
That is not the original intention of the 2nd Amendment, and the current state of this country would absolutely be opposed by the Founders. You are wrong.
And lol at individual citizens having nuclear weapons. What a ridiculous notion. So instead of the idiot in Vegas murdering 59 people, he can destroy New York City and 22 million.
Logic not even once.
It didn't matter to the founders. There only concern was making sure the citizens had the right to defend themselves if the government became corrupted. They knew what they were talking about. I am actually impressed that they could see this far into the future based on the times they lived in.
Yes, the current state of this country would be opposed by the Founders. Illegal aliens and other lawless people running amok, and the federal governments continuing to overstep their boundaries.
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Originally Posted by Pilot1
You are clueless. WE are the militia. The common citizen, not the National Guard. You aren't a mind reader to know what the Founding Fathers believed. Maybe read the Constitution, and some supporting documents.
Yes, we are the militia, the very people that our founding fathers wanted to protect.
Another good article from which I quote: "An example of how stricter gun control laws did not aid in lowering crime rates is Washington D.C. In 1976, D.C. adopted what was to be considered one of the few extremely restrictive gun control policies in the country. The murder rate since the time of new gun control policy rose 134%. Yet another example is New York City, which also implemented similarly stringent gun laws as D.C. had similar results." Entire article here: https://gun.laws.com/gun-control/gun...ime-and-murder
I support no bans on guns. NONE. No laws against any specific ones. At the point where having laws means they won't be broken, we can revisit this.
Laws against illegal immigration, laws against drunk driving, laws against murder, laws against arson, laws against larceny, laws against shoplifting, laws against selling illegal drugs, laws, laws, laws..............
A Ban on High Capacity Rifle Magazines (30 Rounds or more)
A Ban on All AR and Military Type Rifles
we don't live in the jungle or are at war- if you have a NEED to fire these-- go join the military/ security forces and help the soldiers out in the trenches.
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