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That you don’t understand it or believe it to be silly is irrelevant. The Founding Fathers DID understand it, and believed in it so strongly they created the 2nd amendment to ensure that the people would have the means to defend themselves. That the 2nd causes you and the rest of the statist gun grabbers to lose your collective minds is just an adddd bonus.
More silliness...
I understand plenty about the 2A and how it came about, why the founding fathers wrote it into the constitution. In fact I respect the 2A and don't advocate any change thereof. Seems maybe it is you who doesn't understand what needs to be understood. Back when the constitution was ratified there wasn't even any such thing as a gun control debate, not even an issue! Compared to now? Today's issues, circumstances and concerns related to gun ownership are entirely different. In the same way maybe you also don't understand why our founding fathers counted the black vote as worth 3/5ths a white vote back in the day. Again, a different day, different issues, concerns and circumstances. Jefferson put it well...
"I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions, I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know, also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times."
"We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
--Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816.
Also of course what any of us understands or believes is irrelevant when it comes to what gun control may or may not be legislated, but at least let's focus on the reasons for or against that are grounded in reality!
Our unque gun violence is the fact that more people own more guns than ever yet the gun homicide rate has been dropping for years.
That is nothing to brag about because we still have more gun homicide than any civilized nation.
We do basically have about one gun for every person in the US, but estimates I have seen only 30% own guns. We don't have any accurate statistics on gun ownership but it appears quite a large percentage own multiple guns. I see many other actions being responsible for lower rates in the US,. community policing, cameras but not the proliferation of guns.
That is nothing to brag about because we still have more gun homicide than any civilized nation.
We do basically have about one gun for every person in the US, but estimates I have seen only 30% own guns. We don't have any accurate statistics on gun ownership but it appears quite a large percentage own multiple guns. I see many other actions being responsible for lower rates in the US,. community policing, cameras but not the proliferation of guns.
Yes, another example of focus on the real issue rather than all manner of statistics that might mask it...
If only the solution(s) were as easy to come by. I have commented many times that I think gun violence in America is here to stay, and we have little choice but to accept that fact like we do the prospect of natural disasters. However, just like with natural disasters, we can do something to see them coming (sometimes), prepare for them, protect against them, as we should the next yahoo with a gun who wants to kill as many people as possible.
I have my own theory about the drop in gun related crimes: porn.
If a man has his phone in one hand and _____ in the other, how can he hold a gun? Besides, porn calms them down.
Never heard this theory before. Sometimes I think for some gun enthusiasts, having a gun in their hand instead is the same thing. Not all, but some, especially the yahoos who seem to get off using them on other people. Funny too, don't you think, how we assume males? Makes for some other theories worth considering...
You may want to read up on Swiss gun laws before you start touting them as an exanple. A lot of the anti-NRA forces (me included) would love to see Swiss gun laws duplicated here in America.
The anti-NRA forces want this. Pretty white girls going to gun club after school. Open carrying black, semi-automatic rifles
People say the US has a gun culture. No. Switzerland has a gun culture.
That is nothing to brag about because we still have more gun homicide than any civilized nation.
We do basically have about one gun for every person in the US, but estimates I have seen only 30% own guns. We don't have any accurate statistics on gun ownership but it appears quite a large percentage own multiple guns. I see many other actions being responsible for lower rates in the US,. community policing, cameras but not the proliferation of guns.
The majority of gun violence in the US is perpetrated by gang members. If you took away the guns, they'd still be dealing drugs, robbing people, and committing other acts of violent crime.
If you remove cities like Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, and St Louis from the picture, gun violence in the US is comparable to other western nations.
Mass shootings are mostly unique to the US, but terrorists running over people with trucks is mostly unique to Western Europe. If it's not one thing, it's the other.
I understand plenty about the 2A and how it came about, why the founding fathers wrote it into the constitution. In fact I respect the 2A and don't advocate any change thereof. Seems maybe it is you who doesn't understand what needs to be understood. Back when the constitution was ratified there wasn't even any such thing as a gun control debate, not even an issue! Compared to now? Today's issues, circumstances and concerns related to gun ownership are entirely different. In the same way maybe you also don't understand why our founding fathers counted the black vote as worth 3/5ths a white vote back in the day. Again, a different day, different issues, concerns and circumstances. Jefferson put it well...
"I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions, I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know, also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times."
"We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
--Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816.
Also of course what any of us understands or believes is irrelevant when it comes to what gun control may or may not be legislated, but at least let's focus on the reasons for or against that are grounded in reality!
And we have a process in place to amend the Constitution.
The majority of gun violence in the US is perpetrated by gang members. If you took away the guns, they'd still be dealing drugs, robbing people, and committing other acts of violent crime.
If you remove cities like Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, and St Louis from the picture, gun violence in the US is comparable to other western nations.
Mass shootings are mostly unique to the US, but terrorists running over people with trucks is mostly unique to Western Europe. If it's not one thing, it's the other.
If we could get guns away from gang members they would be much less effective, trucks running over people in Europe is rather new and very remote. We have a long history and its growing.
Many of these mass shootings are not in big cities but yes cities do account for a large percentage of the violence in general, mostly Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore but partly because of the larger population. The states with the highest gun deaths rates are Alaska. MS, Louisiana, Michigan, Maryland, Illinois are not even in the top 20. Very easy to access guns in many of these states, no permit required.
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