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Old 10-10-2017, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Good! Trump is just doing what he said he would do. Remove NEEDLESS regulations. We still have the overbearing, and much too broadly interpreted Clean Air, and Water Act. We need less regulation, and lower taxes, or we will remain uncompetitive in the world economy.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:40 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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We had clean air long before Barack floated ashore.
Yes, as if it didn't exist before the last administration.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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Now we know Republicans don't want health care, clean air or clean water.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I guess we'll see how long it takes for the big job fairs all over West Virginia and Kentucky. Now that they can't blame Obama for their poverty, I wonder what the coal industry will tell unemployed miners about those closed mines?
Isnt' the Governor of WV a former owner of Coal Mines? You'd think he could hasten this process of bringing back coal.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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Funny thing is that while we seem to be insistent or sticking with fossil fuels, the Chinese are putting up the equivalent size of a soccer field of solar arrays every hour, 24/7. Me thinks we are not nearly as smart as like to claim.


we're Rome in decline at this point. Electing Cheeto Jesus sealed the deal. Rather than look forward to lead via innovation as we have, we are now looking backwards as a nation, propping up dying industries while we destroy the environment and cede lead in new growing industries of the future to the Chinese.
The same people cheering rolling back of protection of clean water and air to temporally prop up a dead industry are the ones who cry out via the internet over the evil federal government, unaware of the great irony.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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He's not undoing any regs that are in effect. This ruling went right to court because he bypassed Congress and let the EPA change law.

"I've got a pen and a phone" ..remember that ?

Only Congress can make laws and only Congress can change laws.
oh , you mean an EO, like Trump's muslim ban...


Hypocritical Repubs, support Trump rolling back Obama's EOs even as TRump writes EO after EO...



double standard much Cons...?
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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we're Rome in decline at this point. Electing Cheeto Jesus sealed the deal. Rather than look forward to lead via innovation as we have, we are now looking backwards as a nation, propping up dying industries while we destroy the environment and cede lead in new growing industries of the future to the Chinese.
The same people cheering rolling back of protection of clean water and air to temporally prop up a dead industry are the ones who cry out via the internet over the evil federal government, unaware of the great irony.


Cons are cheering as they poison the air that their kids and grand kids have to breath!
They are actively supporting TRump as he allows his swamp buddies to poison the rivers (remember Trump changed the rule to allow coal ash to be dumped in rivers..) and poison the skies.

the increased medical costs will offset gains made by the coal industry, but of course the cost of those medical issues will be born by the victims. The coal barons will take all the extra profits they will not hire a single extra employee, instead they will pocket the cash, while americans pay the cost of increased medical issues and costs.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:18 AM
 
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Isnt' the Governor of WV a former owner of Coal Mines? You'd think he could hasten this process of bringing back coal.

The Governor of WV has been the boy's and girl's basketball coach at my high school for the past 17 years.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:22 AM
 
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I guess we'll see how long it takes for the big job fairs all over West Virginia and Kentucky. Now that they can't blame Obama for their poverty, I wonder what the coal industry will tell unemployed miners about those closed mines?
That's what I'm waiting for as well. They've been screaming for years that their poverty is due to Obama and the EPA. They just need their pollution and they'll be "great again"! Now they have it. We should be done with them, they can pollute their own states and get out of government coffers. Almost 10% of West Virginia is on disability which includes Medicare coverage. Now they can stop that and all get coal jobs; we should be done with them now.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Congress is the regulator, the regulations put out by the EPA are just the details to implement the laws of Congress. If the EPA was following the intent of the original law we would not be having this discussion.

Congress has no choice in these matters anymore and it's one of the reasons we have bills that are so excessively long. If they don't dot their i's and cross all their t's you end up with situation like this where you have an agency seizing a power they were never intended to have. You also have the inevitable plethora of court cases and in this case an industry left to wonder what is going to happen from one administration to the next.

It's very difficult to operate in an industry where you are making decisions that have financial ramifications 4 or 5 decades into the future even before you put CO2 regulations into the equation. This needs resolution through Congress one way or the other simply because of the huge financial impacts.
Yes congress ceded their power to the EPA as far as developing standards for clean air and greenhouse gases, there are no plans to take back their authority so I don’t know why you continue to bring that up. The current EPA is proposing to role back The Clean Power Plan, that is the issue.
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