Sunday in America - Another Mass Shooting (Church) *MERGED* (France, generation, weapons)

[DC at the Ridge]

Turns out one of the people he murdered was his grandmother-in-law.

[middle-aged mom]

Media reporting more inf on his bad conduct discharge. He assaulted his ex wife and fractured his infant son's head in 2012. He spent 12 months in military confinement.

[Floorist]

Originally Posted by hawaiiancoconut

Yeah, a lot of people aren't knowledgeable about guns, and how gun legislation/bans work.

Bill Clinton pass a ban on high capacity clips (among other gun restrictions) and all that did was stop the new manufacturing of high capacity clips. People had no problem finding and buying high capacity clips during the ban that were already manufactured pre-ban. And furthermore, the Clinton gun restrictions did nothing to curb gun violence - according to ATF.

You can also buy magazine extensions that increase the capacity. I did that on one of my handguns because I have big hands and it made for a bigger grip.

[Floorist]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

Media reporting more inf on his bad conduct discharge. He assaulted his ex wife and fractured his infant son's head in 2012. He spent 12 months in military confinement.

I am surprised he only got a BCD for that. I would have expected a DD.

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by shadowne

DM was reporting multiple former classmates recently removing him from their FB due to his unhinged atheist rants. Very relevant due to the POS committing mass execution in a church. Curious why the truth makes you so uncomfortable.

Due you think he was targeting a church because he was an atheist? Or do you think he chose that church because of an ongoing dispute with his in-laws - who went to that church?

[ellemint]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

Media reporting more inf on his bad conduct discharge. He assaulted his ex wife and fractured his infant son's head in 2012. He spent 12 months in military confinement.

How can you beat a child's head in and receive only 12 months in jail? There's something wrong with our penalties for domestic violence.

[RosieSD]

Originally Posted by j7r6s

I think he was convicted of two counts of assault, not domestic violence. Most states would codify what constitutes domestic violence, but it isn't clear to me that the military code does. I'm not sure he actually was a prohibited person, though he would be had his trial been in any state court since the victims were members of his household.

According to the official Air Force Statement, he was convicted of two counts under Article 128, one count of assault on his wife and one count of assault on his son.

Here is the exact wording for Article 128 in military law:

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who attempts or offers with unlawful force or violence to do bodily harm to another person, whether or not the attempt or offer is consummated, is guilty of assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

(b) Any person subject to this chapter who—

(1) commits an assault with a dangerous weapon or other means or force likely to produce death or grievous bodily harm; or

(2) commits an assault and intentionally inflicts grievous bodily harm with or without a weapon; is guilty of aggravated assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Additionally, here's what the prosecutor on the case said about the case:


“He assaulted his stepson severely enough that he fractured his skull, and he also assaulted his wife,” said Don Christensen, a retired colonel who was the chief prosecutor for the Air Force. “He pled to intentionally doing it.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/u...ley-texas.html


He has had other legal issues in the past, including something to do with an arrest for animal abuse in Colorado after he left the air force.

And, the reports from the investigating officials in Texas are that he was recently involved with additional family disputes in Texas, including sending threatening text messages to his mother in law.

(By the way, I have seen unconfirmed reports now that his ex-wife's grandmother was among those shot to death in the church. That has not yet been confirmed by officials though)

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by Fiyero

Ban on AR-15s for starters. And he got the gun legally.

So he wouldn't have used another means to shoot?

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

Turns out one of the people he murdered was his grandmother-in-law.

Really looking like he targeted his ex wife by proxy via her mother and grandmother, both members of this church.

Was the " Kill Bill" thing an attempt to disguise who he targeted?

[shadowne]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

Due you think he was targeting a church because he was an atheist? Or do you think he chose that church because of an ongoing dispute with his in-laws - who went to that church?

I believe he chose the church in part because of his in laws. However there is a difference between being a peaceful atheist and regularly going on unhinged atheist rants. To not consider that influenced his actions is dishonest. He could have massacred the family at home. He chose to take out a congregation.