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Old 11-18-2017, 09:43 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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How did he do it?

Which one of his policies or actions caused this?

I'll be waiting for an answer, and waiting, and waiting...
Waiting is not the same as listening, and listening, and listening.

Growth of economy is the only way out of our current situation of "too much debt". In that respect it is no different from a family situation where they owe too much money, but then the breadwinner gets a big raise; problem solved.

The probability of tax reduction caused growth. That has been the driving force behind the growth of your 401K, the stock market, and the real estate market and therefore GDP. Markets don't sit back and wait until a bill is signed. They gauge the probability of success and move accordingly.

The proof? Wait. If the tax bill does not pass and does not become law, the market will plunge.
The wonderful economy under Clinton, even though temporary because the dotcom bubble burst, is an example of what a growing GDP does.

FWIW: If you want to give Obama continued credit for the growing GDP, that's fine. But if you are going to do so, perhaps you should tell us which of Obama's policies have resulted in growth.
I'll be listening, and listening, and listening.
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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Waiting is not the same as listening, and listening, and listening.

Growth of economy is the only way out of our current situation of "too much debt". In that respect it is no different from a family situation where they owe too much money, but then the breadwinner gets a big raise; problem solved.

The probability of tax reduction caused growth. That has been the driving force behind the growth of your 401K, the stock market, and the real estate market and therefore GDP. Markets don't sit back and wait until a bill is signed. They gauge the probability of success and move accordingly.

The proof? Wait. If the tax bill does not pass and does not become law, the market will plunge.
The wonderful economy under Clinton, even though temporary because the dotcom bubble burst, is an example of what a growing GDP does.

FWIW: If you want to give Obama continued credit for the growing GDP, that's fine. But if you are going to do so, perhaps you should tell us which of Obama's policies have resulted in growth.
I'll be listening, and listening, and listening.
Thread isn't about Obama

I asked a simple question and you guys can't seem to answer it

The only answer I got so far was Trump did nothing, and the government doing nothing helps the economy

OK.
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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I don’t trust anything about that website
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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Thread isn't about Obama

I asked a simple question and you guys can't seem to answer it
You're the one claiming Trump is destroying everything but you cant seem to answer how...
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The only answer I got so far was Trump did nothing, and the government doing nothing helps the economy

OK.
Government can only grow by taking money out of the economy which hinders the economy, you do know this, right?
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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He's also on pace to average more than 3% economic growth before tax reform/repatriation. Tax receipts are way up as well. Our fiscal house is in much better shape than it was a year ago. A lot of this has gone overlooked.


President Trump Accomplishes the Impossible: Reduces Debt to GDP Ratio by 1% His First Year in Office
Fun facts kids! The debt to GDP ratio had been falling since WW2, from about 120 to about 30. Then from 1980 until 1995 the debt to GDP ratio climbed to about 65. From 1996 to 2001 it fell to about 54. Finally, from 2001 to 2016 it rose again, reaching about 106.

Each time it the ratio rose, it just so happened that significant tax cuts had been enacted, or in the case of 2008, the nation entered a near depression. The two times that it fell, significant tax raises had been enacted.

Now Donald Trump and the Republicans want to cut taxes again. Trump even claims that they'll be the biggest tax cuts ever (or something like that - maybe I should throw in the term 'bigly').

Trump has about as much to do with the drop in debt to GDP ratio as a rooster has in making the sun come up in the morning.

But with Trump and the Republican congress, it's worse - the rooster isn't trying to force the sun back down below the horizon.
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:58 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Thread isn't about Obama

I asked a simple question and you guys can't seem to answer it

The only answer I got so far was Trump did nothing, and the government doing nothing helps the economy

OK.
You didn't read, and read, and read. What do we have to do, spoon feed you?
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The probability of tax reduction caused growth. That has been the driving force behind the growth of your 401K, the stock market, and the real estate market and therefore GDP.
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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Fun facts kids! The debt to GDP ratio had been falling since WW2, from about 120 to about 30. Then from 1980 until 1995 the debt to GDP ratio climbed to about 65. From 1996 to 2001 it fell to about 54. Finally, from 2001 to 2016 it rose again, reaching about 106.

Each time it the ratio rose, it just so happened that significant tax cuts had been enacted, or in the case of 2008, the nation entered a near depression. The two times that it fell, significant tax raises had been enacted.

Now Donald Trump and the Republicans want to cut taxes again. Trump even claims that they'll be the biggest tax cuts ever (or something like that - maybe I should throw in the term 'bigly').

Trump has about as much to do with the drop in debt to GDP ratio as a rooster has in making the sun come up in the morning.

But with Trump and the Republican congress, it's worse - the rooster isn't trying to force the sun back down below the horizon.
Much of what you explained takes place because the only way to cut the deficits is to expand the tax base. Democrats dont want to do that. Everytime its proposed it "taxing the poor", or "tax cuts to the rich"..

The rich dont have enough wealth, let alone income, to get this nation on track to reducing the debt to GDP, and if raising taxes was the solution, lets just tax everyone at 99% and be damned with the deficits.. they will disappear overnight.. right?
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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He's also on pace to average more than 3% economic growth before tax reform/repatriation. Tax receipts are way up as well. Our fiscal house is in much better shape than it was a year ago. A lot of this has gone overlooked.


President Trump Accomplishes the Impossible: Reduces Debt to GDP Ratio by 1% His First Year in Office

Ah, the infamous "Gateway Pundit" with Jim Hoft.

Let us read some more credible evidence:

The U.S. Debt Catastrophe Is Closer Than You Think - Nasdaq.com

My, does not seem as rosy as Mr. Hoft would like us to believe.
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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Just so people can have a fair discussion on who controlled what during the last 100 years


Note in recent years.. its fallen, only when the GOP controlled Congress and Democrats held the White House
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:07 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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.........Finally, from 2001 to 2016 it rose again, reaching about 106..........
Each time it the ratio rose, it just so happened that significant tax cuts had been enacted.........
Fail. The debt ratio did not really start to get out of shape until 2008. In 2008 is was 67%.

There were no tax cuts during the Obama years. And 106 is dangerously high. Here's a list of Obama era tax hikes:
https://www.atr.org/full-list-ACA-tax-hikes-a6996
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