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View Poll Results: Should females be allowed to have a choice to abort a fetus?
Yes 276 85.71%
No 46 14.29%
Voters: 322. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-28-2017, 03:43 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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It's interesting to note that "fetus" is just a medical term for a human being still in the womb, and is called a "fetus" right up until live birth, when suddenly it is a human baby! What changed?

We know that while in the womb a "fetus" will suck it's thumb, play with it's toes, and do many things that a newborn baby will do. We know that it responds in other ways to outside stimulation, and we know that during an abortion it fights in defense of it's life. To me, that is very significant.

 
Old 12-28-2017, 03:50 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Her body, her choice. End of.
No it isn't the "end of [discussion]" because it is not her body that is being aborted. It is another body, with it's own blood (and likely of a different type), it's own DNA and is completely separate flesh. The only connection to the mother is through the umbilical cord which provides oxygen and nutrition.

The "fetus" has brain waves, a heartbeat, and moves and kicks it's feet much like the newborn infant does. And it also will suck it's thumb.

Her "choice" ended with the decision to have sex. That was when she made her choice.
 
Old 12-28-2017, 04:16 AM
 
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No it isn't the "end of [discussion]" because it is not her body that is being aborted. It is another body, with it's own blood (and likely of a different type), it's own DNA and is completely separate flesh. The only connection to the mother is through the umbilical cord which provides oxygen and nutrition.

The "fetus" has brain waves, a heartbeat, and moves and kicks it's feet much like the newborn infant does. And it also will suck it's thumb.

Her "choice" ended with the decision to have sex. That was when she made her choice.
It is her body that nurtures, grows and births the child. It is her body that carries the child. It is her body that allow the child to exist.

A bug also has brain waves, a heartbeat and moves. Shall we term it animal abuse when one is killed?

Obviously, I totally disagree with your definition of "choice."
 
Old 12-28-2017, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Boston
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it should be a decision for the biological father and mother.
 
Old 12-28-2017, 05:59 AM
 
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1) We already do: it's federal law.

2) I don't know of any women who would "elect" or have "elected" to have an abortion in the second or third trimester.

3) If men could carry a fetus, there would be no abortion debate in this country.
 
Old 12-28-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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No it isn't the "end of [discussion]" because it is not her body that is being aborted. It is another body, with it's own blood (and likely of a different type), it's own DNA and is completely separate flesh. The only connection to the mother is through the umbilical cord which provides oxygen and nutrition.

The "fetus" has brain waves, a heartbeat, and moves and kicks it's feet much like the newborn infant does. And it also will suck it's thumb.

Her "choice" ended with the decision to have sex. That was when she made her choice.
Exactly. The focus should be on all the choices that led up to the pregnancy. Not the one choice to kill the baby. There were so many bad choices made. So why does she get to make another?
 
Old 12-28-2017, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Women have many choices for BC: the pill, implants, IUD, patch, rings, shots, sponges, condoms, abstinence.

Abortion is not BC. It's what happens when a woman chooses to not use birth control or chooses have sex irresponsibly (with a partner who will not be an appropriate father or partner).

Stop blaming men for the poor choices the woman makes.

It's amazing how women are so smart and independent and strong but make ridiculously stupid decisions that are completely AVOIDABLE. And then they turn into men-bashing victims. They take zero responsibility for their own part in having sex (man's fault I got preggers, dontcha know, I had NOTHING to do with it), but then want 100% control afterward (men are disgusting, don't come near me, it's MY BODY).

have control of your body before you have sex = no problems afterward
Birth control is not perfect. Plus it can play havoc with your body and hormones. And it's expensive. Why should women be the only ones who are supposed to be responsible for preventing pregnancy physically and financially?

But you still think you get to control the choices they make with their own bodies while dictating that they must use birth control so men can have worry free sex?

Nope. Stop blaming women for the reality that sex can cause babies to be made - it's not women's fault that it happens but you seem to think it is and that men bear no responsibility for their role in the process.

Hopefully no woman is having sex with misogynists but sadly I know that's not really the case.
 
Old 12-28-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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Exactly. The focus should be on all the choices that led up to the pregnancy. Not the one choice to kill the baby. There were so many bad choices made. So why does she get to make another?
Why does a man get to run away? Maybe we should make *that* illegal.
 
Old 12-28-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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If you vote yes, does that mean you feel it should be legal to have a purely elective abortion at the end of the third trimester?

I just need some clarification before I vote.
Not what the question asked. Seems pretty yes or no.
 
Old 12-28-2017, 03:58 PM
 
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it should be a decision for the biological father and mother.
No, a man should have no say in what any women does with her body.
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