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I did not read this thread, but I believe when any business is dealing with the public, they should leave their religious beliefs at home, and also leave the problems of the business at the business, and not bring them home.
Pretty simple rule to follow.
Bob.
Exactly.
Pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions need to find another profession or find a job in a setting that does not involved birth control prescriptions.
Bakers who only want to bake cakes for certain people should probably get a job baking in say a hospital where they won't have to run into that dilemma.
Some you win, some you lose.
I could care less but there have been more threads about silly issues like this than many more important subjects.
Just for kicks, can Mr. Hanky be put on a cake (fake poo?) How about Superman - that's superstition?
How about a saying that men and women are equals in marriage. Tens of millions of Americans don't believe this.
I say, as usual, that moderation is the key. If the Baker said "I tend to be conservative about such things but I will do it - if you want something really artsy and fancy, go see Joe down the street", we wouldn't see this clogging up the courts.
I seriously doubt the current Supreme court will rule in favor of the gay couple in that case. If they do, I will be absolutely shocked. And pleased. Bakers are in the business of baking and selling. Making a wedding cake for a gay couple does not equal supporting gay marriage. It's a financial transaction, pure and simple.
A private business is not FORCED to do business with anyone. For them, creating a cake for a gay couple is supporting gay marriage.
Why is it difficult for people to grasp this simple concept?
A private business is not FORCED to do business with anyone. For them, creating a cake for a gay couple is supporting gay marriage.
Why is it difficult for people to grasp this simple concept?
To get a business license a business owner must agree to operate his business according to the laws that regulate the business. When the business owner breaks those laws, he or she risks losing their business license and being fined. Is that difficult to grasp?
To get a business license a business owner must agree to operate his business according to the laws that regulate the business. When the business owner breaks those laws, he or she risks losing their business license and being fined. Is that difficult to grasp?
I haven’t got the inclination to read all 50 something pages of this thread, so if I’m repeating something already posted, then I apologise.
In 2016, a gay activist asked a Belfast, N. Ireland bakery to make a cake inscribed, “Support Gay Marriage.â€
The bakery, Ashers, refused on religious grounds, and a case for discrimination was opened, under the Acts of the Equality Commission Law.
They found in favour if the gay activist, so the bakery appealed, and lost.
They had to pay an agreed sum of damages, of £500, ($690 at today exchange rates).
I did not read this thread, but I believe when any business is dealing with the public, they should leave their religious beliefs at home, and also leave the problems of the business at the business, and not bring them home.
Pretty simple rule to follow.
Bob.
So in other words, you're for businesses being forced to work for other people. That is slavery by definition.
Not true. The Supreme Court threw out about 30 state marriage amendments because they "found" a "right" to same-sex "marriage" in the 14th Amendment. Now, if Kennedy rules the wrong way like last time, then we won't have to wait for 2020 for the Second Civil War to start.
Yah, that ruling is defective, and a clear example of judicial malfeasance. It is not reasonable it is mere judicial "error" to add in rights that are not enumerated.
Besides, the doctrine of jurisprudence we have been following since the country was founded is that the courts cannot make law. So striking down a law does not create positive law in its place. Where would such a law materialize from? The void?
No, if you strike down a law that defines marriage properly, it does not magically manifest a new law that defines it the way the freaks want it. It just means now that law does not exist, and marriage is not defined. The state is not compelled to issue "gay marriage" licenses.
The legislature is the only entity that can create a law, so if the commie turds on SCOTUS want gay marriage, they will have to wait for the legislature to create a law that defines marriage that way.
There is no other option.
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould
Maccabee 2A, sadly you have been misinformed.
The baker was not asked to cater an event. A couple customers wanted to purchase a cake, like the cakes that they sold to other customers.
Your belief is not what the country was based on. The country was based on the rule of law. Constitution. Bill of Rights. Any of that ring a bell?
Check out the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution requiring that states guarantee the same rights, privileges, and protections to all citizens.
Obviously, we have a ways to go.
But we are getting there.
14A has nothing to do with private persons. How come you don't know this?
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Originally Posted by tovarisch
It's NOT life, liberty and property. It's life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Crucial distinction.
It WAS property in the original version (The Articles of Confederation and various other places, like the writings of John Locke). That usage was retained in the Constitution for 5A.
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Originally Posted by Maccabee 2A
The Constitution states "life, liberty, and property", the Declaration of Independence says "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
Yes, referring to different things, of course. The Declaration was enumerating the natural rights of man, and "Happiness" was chosen to expand on the earlier usage of "Property" as it was viewed as being more expansive, and that "the Pursuit of Happiness" naturally included Property, as it would be impossible to satisfy even the most basic of humans needs and desires without the ability to acquire and own property.
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould
Exactly.
Pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions need to find another profession or find a job in a setting that does not involved birth control prescriptions.
Bakers who only want to bake cakes for certain people should probably get a job baking in say a hospital where they won't have to run into that dilemma.
That's because doing business as a pharmacist requires a professional license, and its thus a privilege, and not a right. The idea that everyone in commerce is exercising government privilege is faulty on its face. Doesn't hold up. Just look at the tax code and you can figure that one out immediately. You don't need a license to bake a cake.
Ironically, civil marriage is a government PRIVILEGE since it requires a LICENSE. You don't have a "right to marry", no matter who has said otherwise, because rights do not require licenses. There are numerous rulings establishing the doctrine that a right cannot be converted to a privilege.
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Doesn't the business exist to provide goods or services for other people? Don't they get paid to do that? Isn't that capitalism?
Its about freedom of association and freedom of action. You cannot be compelled into Commerce in this country (which is also the fatal flaw of other flagrant acts of judicial malfeasance like approving the ACA). The UCC as well as the state laws of all fifty states, says that any contract based on fraud, compulsion, or coercion is void.
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