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Old 01-02-2018, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Every single thread on here started by Conservatives about California being some sort of failed state b/c of this stat or that stat is just laughable. The entire premise is that Blue policies are what's to blame, and they'd be better off with Republicans in charge...

No amount of mud-slinging about California is going to change the fact that any rankings of worst states to live in, by any measure, are dominated by DEEP RED states, states with Republicans in charge at every level.

We're supposed to believe California is some Democratic hell hole when we can pull up and compare the stats for Mississippi? Missouri? Alabama? Louisiana? Arkansas? West Virginia? Alaska? Lol... right.

We're supposed to believe California is failed Democratic experiment when Mississippi is ranked:

#48 in Medical Acceess
#47 in Public Health
#47 in Healthcare Quality
#45 in Education
#50 in Infrastructure
#50 in Household Income
#50 in Poverty Rate
#48 in Economy
#49 in GDP growth
#49 in Labor Force Participation
#50 in Patent Creation


No matter how "bad" it gets in California, they will always have the last laugh b/c they can just point to any of the 20-30 DEEP RED states that they are doing better than. California might be bad, but it's not Deep-Red-Republican bad.
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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How about a California vs Mississippi thread?

BTW the usual rejoinder about Mississippi is that MS has a very high black population which, given the socio-economic status of African-Americans, will drag down Mississippi's averages. The reply to that rejoinder is to simply cite West Virginia, which is also conservative, but has few blacks and is also usually at the bottom of the heap in socio-economic stats.

What would be really interesting would be to compare non-Hispanic whites in California vs the same in Mississippi. I'd be willing to bet CA still comes out far ahead.
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:21 PM
 
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CA has the highest poverty rate, several places with the highest unemployment rates, and the most welfare recipients, in the entire nation. There is a lot in common with those two states as they struggle with deep poverty and bleak prospects in the digital economy.

But CA looks worse because MS never had the movie business or Silicon Valley. It's always been at the bottom. CA, in contrast, has sunk like a stone to the bottom. When I lived in CA, the schools were 35-50% free lunch. Here, in the South these schools are at 15%.

Liberals can't hold up CA as an example place because they know its jacked up. Conservatives hold up Texas, Liberals like MA to hold up because CA has indeed fallen apart.
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
Every single thread on here started by Conservatives about California being some sort of failed state b/c of this stat or that stat is just laughable. The entire premise is that Blue policies are what's to blame, and they'd be better off with Republicans in charge...

No amount of mud-slinging about California is going to change the fact that any rankings of worst states to live in, by any measure, are dominated by DEEP RED states, states with Republicans in charge at every level.

We're supposed to believe California is some Democratic hell hole when we can pull up and compare the stats for Mississippi? Missouri? Alabama? Louisiana? Arkansas? West Virginia? Alaska? Lol... right.

We're supposed to believe California is failed Democratic experiment when Mississippi is ranked:

#48 in Medical Acceess
#47 in Public Health
#47 in Healthcare Quality
#45 in Education
#50 in Infrastructure
#50 in Household Income
#50 in Poverty Rate
#48 in Economy
#49 in GDP growth
#49 in Labor Force Participation
#50 in Patent Creation


No matter how "bad" it gets in California, they will always have the last laugh b/c they can just point to any of the 20-30 DEEP RED states that they are doing better than. California might be bad, but it's not Deep-Red-Republican bad.
Hey, we moved up a notch in education! Go Mississippi!
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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I get a laugh out of the attempt to blame Mississippi's poverty on blacks. Good move, there righties - keep playing the race card while denying that racism is part of the party platform. Stay classy!

Of course, the reality is that Mississippi is riddle with poor whites and poor blacks, but that wouldn't fit the right-wing agenda, so we'll see no mention of reality on this forum.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:05 PM
 
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This is funny coming from someone from Illinois. A state close to having its credit rating moved to junk status and facing bankruptcy. You think there might be some racial aspects to your thread with Mississippi being 37% black?

Lets look around Mississippi and Illinois and see how Democrats are doing

east st louis

Rockford Illinois

Chicago

Champaign

Peoria Illinois

Jackson Mississippi

How many dems we got there and how long have they reigned?

Lets look at some other Democrat success stories

1. St louis

St. Louis has been electing Democratic mayors since 1949.

2. Detroit

Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1957 when it had a median income on par with Manhattan , today its coming out of bankruptcy . It is the poorest big city in the nation, with almost 40% of the population living below the poverty line.

Detroit is also a pit of political corruption. Just in recent years, one mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, was convicted of corruption and sent to federal prison for 28 years,

Other places include Birmingham,Baltimore Oakland etc

Camden has not had a Republican mayor since 1936

Buffalo, NY hasn’t elected republican mayor since 1954;

Cleveland, OH … since 1989;

Milwaukee, WI since 1908;

Philadelphia, PA since 1952;

Newark, NJ since 1907.

This was back in 2014 but nothing has changed much

The cities with populations over 200,000 ranked as the most dangerous are:

Detroit, MI - Mayor Mike Duggan - DEMOCRAT
Oakland, CA - Mayor Jean Quan - DEMOCRAT
Memphis, TN - Mayor A C Wharton - DEMOCRAT
St. Louis, MO - Mayor Francis G. Slay - DEMOCRAT
Cleveland, OH - Mayor Frank G. Jackson - DEMOCRAT
Baltimore, MD - Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake - DEMOCRAT
Milwaukee, WI - Mayor Tom Barrett - DEMOCRAT
Birmingham, AL - Mayor William A. Bell - DEMOCRAT
Newark, NJ - Mayor Ras Baraka - DEMOCRAT
Kansas City, MO - Mayor Sly James - Independent (but probably a DEMOCRAT)
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
Every single thread on here started by Conservatives about California being some sort of failed state b/c of this stat or that stat is just laughable. The entire premise is that Blue policies are what's to blame, and they'd be better off with Republicans in charge...

No amount of mud-slinging about California is going to change the fact that any rankings of worst states to live in, by any measure, are dominated by DEEP RED states, states with Republicans in charge at every level.

We're supposed to believe California is some Democratic hell hole when we can pull up and compare the stats for Mississippi? Missouri? Alabama? Louisiana? Arkansas? West Virginia? Alaska? Lol... right.

We're supposed to believe California is failed Democratic experiment when Mississippi is ranked:

#48 in Medical Acceess
#47 in Public Health
#47 in Healthcare Quality
#45 in Education
#50 in Infrastructure
#50 in Household Income
#50 in Poverty Rate
#48 in Economy
#49 in GDP growth
#49 in Labor Force Participation
#50 in Patent Creation


No matter how "bad" it gets in California, they will always have the last laugh b/c they can just point to any of the 20-30 DEEP RED states that they are doing better than. California might be bad, but it's not Deep-Red-Republican bad.
You're ridiculing Mississippi because it is the state with the highest % of black people.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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As usual, Democrats fail at their understanding of the history behind southern politics.

While Republicans control Mississippi politics today, you do realize that Mississippi has only been under "complete Republican control" since 2012 when Republicans won complete control of the state legislature for the first time since Reconstruction?? And that the first elected GOP governor of Mississippi only took office in 1992? https://ballotpedia.org/Party_contro...ate_government ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Fordice

Mississippi has been a "mess" in many instances for well over a century. But to blame the GOP for that (the exact same argument can and must be made about West Virginia and other southern/conservative states) is ridiculous, given that party's relative recent domination of politics in the state. Democrats held the state back in many ways through their resistance to education reform, embrace of racism/KKK, and other means. It'll take much more than a few years of GOP control to turn around the disaster that total Dem control of these states created.

And as others have mentioned, its no secret that the most violent, poor areas in these states are in those parts controlled totally by Democrats.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by nopeadle View Post
CA has the highest poverty rate, several places with the highest unemployment rates, and the most welfare recipients, in the entire nation. There is a lot in common with those two states as they struggle with deep poverty and bleak prospects in the digital economy.

But CA looks worse because MS never had the movie business or Silicon Valley. It's always been at the bottom. CA, in contrast, has sunk like a stone to the bottom. When I lived in CA, the schools were 35-50% free lunch. Here, in the South these schools are at 15%.

Liberals can't hold up CA as an example place because they know its jacked up. Conservatives hold up Texas, Liberals like MA to hold up because CA has indeed fallen apart.
Care to back up your "facts"?

In 2012 CA had 54.1% eligible for school lunch. MS had 71.5%.

Poverty rate MS ranks 51st
Teen birth rate 49th
food insecurity 51st
HS graduation 47th
Unemployment 44th
https://talkpoverty.org/state-year-r...i-2017-report/

As for CA

Poverty rate 31st
Teen births 18th
food insecurity 19th
HS graduation 31st
unemployment 39th
https://talkpoverty.org/state-year-r...a-2017-report/

I live in MS so don't try to paint some rosy picture of the state without backing up your claims.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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We're not blaming the GOP, we're blaming conservatives. Everybody knows that Southern democrats back in the day used to be conservative. They were the ones running the show back then. They have changed political parties but not ideology.
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