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View Poll Results: Do you support spending $18 billion for the first phase of the US/Mexico border wall?
Yes 40 32.26%
No 81 65.32%
Not sure 3 2.42%
Voters: 124. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-06-2018, 01:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Sad, isn't it.


You truly think that those who work in residential and commercial construction (houses/apts, convenience stores, fast food joints, etc.), those who maintain yards, or those in other labor jobs, are all union workers? Wow, clueless!

Citizens have been doing those jobs, citizens want those jobs (it's only LWNJs who think they don't). Those jobs allowed the workers to put roofs over the heads of their families, feed and clothe their families, pay their bills, buy cars and other necessaries, even able to put funds in savings accounts. Not so much anymore, because of illegals.
Except this isn't the 1950's when a single worker could support himself and his family.
Try doing that today if wages kept up with costs and there would be no need for mandatory minimum wages.
It's not "illegals" who have kept wages down but employers who are always looking to save a buck even if it means employing illegals.
Somebody is paying them so there is a obvious market for them.
Why pay a American worker when you have to fund their SS taxes, Unemployment Insurance / Health Insurance and vacation pay?
Illegals are being exploited by our capitalistic system.
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Old 01-06-2018, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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Except this isn't the 1950's when a single worker could support himself and his family.
Try doing that today if wages kept up with costs and there would be no need for mandatory minimum wages.
It's not "illegals" who have kept wages down but employers who are always looking to save a buck even if it means employing illegals.
Somebody is paying them so there is a obvious market for them.
Why pay a American worker when you have to fund their SS taxes, Unemployment Insurance / Health Insurance and vacation pay?
Illegals are being exploited by our capitalistic system.
The minimum wage began in 1938. Lower the supply of labor and wages will go up, very basic economics. They are being taken advantage of and it is time to put it to an end. Mandatory e-verify and go after businesses with million dollar penalties for hiring illegals, end birthright citizenship and chain migration, and harsh punishments for repeated deportations for the country not the individual.
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:02 AM
 
Location: sumter
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post
Sounds great. Let the wall begin.

It's time to shut off illegal immigrants from ever coming into the United States again.
You keep believing that wall will do all that, they will just find other means to get in.

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Old 01-06-2018, 02:15 AM
 
Location: sumter
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Exactly!

Those same old arguments get tiresome.
But it's true, you will be hard pressed to find Americans, willing to get out there and do back breaking work for long hours out in the hot sun for that pay. Times have indeed change, and it's been a long time since work like that was dominated by Americans, many American today have never seen us doing that type of work. And if you do find some to give it a try, they probably won't last long.
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:23 AM
 
Location: USA
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They contribute a lot to our economy. How many americans are complaining that they can't get jobs working on farms, landscaping, house cleaning and many other jobs that seem to be beneath americans.
They do bring a lot to our economy and they will build the wall too, at a fraction of what American Unions charge
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Best $18b we've ever spent. Sure beats another useless Middle Eastern war.
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Old 01-06-2018, 03:06 AM
 
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Lol, bets it doesn't happen?
Lol, be t DACA doesn’t happen either.
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Old 01-06-2018, 03:32 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Except this isn't the 1950's when a single worker could support himself and his family.
Try doing that today if wages kept up with costs and there would be no need for mandatory minimum wages.
It's not "illegals" who have kept wages down but employers who are always looking to save a buck even if it means employing illegals.
Somebody is paying them so there is a obvious market for them.
Why pay a American worker when you have to fund their SS taxes, Unemployment Insurance / Health Insurance and vacation pay?
Illegals are being exploited by our capitalistic system.
Many construction builders/contractors hire people as contract laborers, they don't have to pay SS, UI, HI or vacation on the contract laborers, they only have to pay for WC(in my state, anyway).
Of course single income people with families weren't going to get rich on just one income, but, they had been earning enough to be able to keep their heads above water(unless they were diehard spenders, and, most were dual income households), until illegals drove wages down and also took the jobs away.
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Old 01-06-2018, 03:53 AM
 
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What a crock. There are dozens of reasons the wall is pork barrel spending.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Many construction builders/contractors hire people as contract laborers, they don't have to pay SS, UI, HI or vacation on the contract laborers, they only have to pay for WC(in my state, anyway).
Of course single income people with families weren't going to get rich on just one income, but, they had been earning enough to be able to keep their heads above water(unless they were diehard spenders, and, most were dual income households), until illegals drove wages down and also took the jobs away.
Keep believing Illegals are driving wages down ( who sets wages?)
Their employers!
If you are in agreement with a totally capitalistic system without regulation then this is what occurs.
Employers hire illegals to duck certain responsibilities and to maximize profits.
It's amazing how you blame them instead of their Employers.
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