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View Poll Results: Did Clinton lie under oath?
Yes 70 97.22%
No 2 2.78%
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-03-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Hellion1999 View Post
he lied under oath and told others to lie in court and break the law. Moderator cut: off topic


Was the whole right wing trying to convict him of anything they could? Yes.
Was he convicted of perjury? No.
Was he convicted of anything? No.

There is your answer.

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Old 02-03-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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Of course he lied under oath. This is a stupid poll. I do not understand the fascination with Bill Clinton. It's been 17 years since he was president. 17 freaking years ago and he is still in the rights head. No one from the left brings up George Bush anymore. What is the fascination with Bill Clinton. I just don't get it.
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:32 PM
 
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Was the whole right wing trying to convict him of anything they could? Yes.
Was he convicted of perjury? No.
Was he convicted of anything? No.

There is your answer.

yeah, the right wing conspiracy.



He was disbarred of practicing law and fined $25,000 plus the federal judge who found President Clinton in contempt of court levied a penalty of $90,686 against him, making him the first chief executive ever assessed such a payment. He had to pay 850,000 to Paula Jones......I wouldn't call that innocence.

Impeachment is political. The media was on Clinton's side unlike Nixon, so his approval numbers didn't took a dive like Nixon and the economy was doing good so the Senate didn't want to affect the economy by impeaching him, so the vote was 55-45 NOT Guilty.



O.J. wasn't convicted of murder, everybody knows he is a murderer.....what is your point?
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:44 PM
 
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I'm asking a simple question which only requires a yes or no answer.
Wrong.

It also requires knowledge of something that happened a long time ago. How about helping us out with the basics, like what the alleged lie was?
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:55 PM
 
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The Judge found him GUILTY of lying....that's why he got disbarred and a big fine......a court found him guilty and Clinton and his lawyers accepted it.


impeachment is always political. Legal process? if that was the case, a lot of Presidents would be impeached just for Jay-walking.

Trump on obstruction? Trump never ordered anyone to lie or break the law like Clinton and Nixon did.....try again.

You can't impeach a President for exercising his constitutional powers under the executive branch.
I said it was a plea bargain... I was wrong about that terminology. I'll have to give back my law degree. Either way, it was still a deal.

What Sort of Plea Did Clinton Cop?

I'm going to have to backtrack on this one. I was speaking of charges and convictions. He was charged, but not convicted, but he did mislead. And while that is not perjury, it is still considered a lie.

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Old 02-03-2018, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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I'm asking a simple question which only requires a yes or no answer.
Like a dead bear on a rich man's floor.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:15 PM
 
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I said it was a plea bargain... I was wrong about that terminology. I'll have to give back my law degree. Either way, it was still a deal.

What Sort of Plea Did Clinton Cop?

Judge Susan Webber Wright fined him 90,000 for perjury. Judge Wright wrote: "Sanctions are being imposed, not only to deter others who might consider emulating the president's misconduct but to compensate the plaintiff by requiring that the president pay her any reasonable fees and expenses caused by his willful failure to obey this court's discovery orders."

The fine was ordered by Judge Susan Webber Wright, three months after she found him guilty of contempt for giving false testimony in a sexual harassment case brought against him by a former Arkansas government employee, Paula Jones.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:42 PM
 
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Judge Susan Webber Wright fined him 90,000 for perjury. Judge Wright wrote: "Sanctions are being imposed, not only to deter others who might consider emulating the president's misconduct but to compensate the plaintiff by requiring that the president pay her any reasonable fees and expenses caused by his willful failure to obey this court's discovery orders."

The fine was ordered by Judge Susan Webber Wright, three months after she found him guilty of contempt for giving false testimony in a sexual harassment case brought against him by a former Arkansas government employee, Paula Jones.

http://www.rbs0.com/Clinton.pdf

"Judge Wright never mentioned "perjury" in her opinion. Instead she found that Clinton had willfully failed to obey discovery orders."

However, this argument is now moot. Goodnight.

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Old 02-03-2018, 08:55 PM
 
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http://www.rbs0.com/Clinton.pdf

"Judge Wright never mentioned "perjury" in her opinion."

She didn't use the word perjury. She went further.Giving false, misleading and evasive answers that were designed to obstruct justice and it was intentional.

the definition of perjury: the offense of willfully telling an untruth in a court after having taken an oath or affirmation......the Judge went further than the definition.


Webber wrote: "The record demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that the President responded to plaintiff [Paula Jones]'s questions by giving false, misleading, and evasive answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process... It is difficult to construe the President's sworn statements in this civil lawsuit concerning his relationship with Ms. Lewinky as anything other than a willful refusal to obey this court's discovery orders.... Simply put, the President's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. Lewinsky was intentionally false, and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false, notwithstanding tortured definitions and interpretations of the term 'sexual relations'."


Excerpts From the Judge's Ruling


That was the Judge ruling.

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Old 02-04-2018, 07:18 AM
 
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Speaking of Bill Clinton and lies, did you know that he forced some people to lie on their taxes (and other interactions with the federal government) for many years? Because of DOMA, which he signed into law in 1996 and provided among several things that the federal government would not recognize any marriage that was not between a man and a woman, same-sex couples who were legally married had to file as "single" (or "head of household" if eligible) until the Supreme Court struck down that part of the law in 2013. According to many gay and lesbian couples, that means that the federal government was forcing them to lie on a form that they had to sign under penalty of perjury (search the Internet if you'd like to find out for yourself).
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