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Old 02-17-2018, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Advertisers spent $419 million on Super Bowl ads this Super Bowl. Clinton spent $1 billion running for POTUS. The Russians spent less than $1 million trying to defeat or at least slow down Clinton.

You are really comparing these examples? If it really worked that way advertisers would just create fake facebook posts and save $400 million dollars. And Clinton donors could have saved a bundle.

The Russians had no impact on the 2016 election. Except in calling the left into action to subvert the presidency post election.
There is a tremendous difference between paid political advertisements and Russians posing as American citizens on social media sites.
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Advertisers spent $419 million on Super Bowl ads this Super Bowl. Clinton spent $1 billion running for POTUS. The Russians spent less than $1 million trying to defeat or at least slow down Clinton.

You are really comparing these examples? If it really worked that way advertisers would just create fake facebook posts and save $400 million dollars. And Clinton donors could have saved a bundle.

The Russians had no impact on the 2016 election. Except in calling the left into action to subvert the presidency post election.
Yes, I am comparing them.
And you missed the point of my comparison.

Super Bowl ads cost what they do because they work and because people rush towards them with great anticipation just like they rush towards outlets that enforce their beliefs.
We are primed to “buy” a message, the costs are almost immaterial.

The only way that you could say with any certainty that the Russians didn’t influence the election is if you can prove that NO ONE was moved by any of their messaging, that it wasn’t shared or re-tweeted or repeated verbatim.

Again, there are people who didn’t vote for Clinton because “pizza-gate.”
People didn’t vote for Obama because birtherism.

Can you, with a straight face, honestly say that people are not influenced by even low cost messaging if it confirms what they want to believe?

Really?
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:56 AM
 
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I would love to know how you came to that conclusion. Have you read Glenn Simpson's testimony? You really should before you embarrass yourself further. You obviously have no idea who Steele is or anything about the dossier.
https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/does...-chris-steele/

Dan Abrams isn't a wild eyed conservative.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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well, i guess it didn't work since all of you have been crowing that clinton won the popular vote.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:03 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Trial doesn't matter. It is simply further evidence that Russians were interfering with our election, something Donald John Trump still refuses to acknowledge. Also, more dots that connect. Mueller is going about this surgically.

*tick* *tick* *tick*
Indeed. But the Trump cheerleaders continue referring to Hillary/Obama as the villains
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:05 AM
 
Location: United States
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I would love to know how you came to that conclusion. Have you read Glenn Simpson's testimony? You really should before you embarrass yourself further. You obviously have no idea who Steele is or anything about the dossier.

It's a fact that Steele is a foreign agent.

It's a fact that he was spreading misinformation to attack Trump, and influence the outcome of the election.

This is what the Russians were doing that just got indicted, so when is Mueller going to indict Steele?
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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Indeed. But the Trump cheerleaders continue referring to Hillary/Obama as the villains
They are the reason Trump is president.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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There is a tremendous difference between paid political advertisements and Russians posing as American citizens on social media sites.
Yes a tremendous difference. The paid advertising worked and the social media stuff had no effect. Remember Clinton won the popular vote by a wide margin.

There is also a big difference between Russian nationals posting on social media sites and Trump colluding with Russia.

I hope these Russian goons get brought to justice however it apparently had no impact on the election and not only gets us no closer to a trump russia collusion but vindicates Trump in any involvement in this. Which at least was hinted at by the left when the face book / Russia stories broke.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:11 AM
 
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It's a fact that Steele is a foreign agent.

It's a fact that he was spreading misinformation to attack Trump, and influence the outcome of the election.

This is what the Russians were doing that just got indicted, so when is Mueller going to indict Steele?
Never going to happen. The powers that be are going after Trump. They have no interest in Steele or anything the democrats may have done.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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Yes, I am comparing them.
And you missed the point of my comparison.

Super Bowl ads cost what they do because they work and because people rush towards them with great anticipation just like they rush towards outlets that enforce their beliefs.
We are primed to “buy” a message, the costs are almost immaterial.

Can you, with a straight face, honestly say that people are not influenced by even low cost messaging if it confirms what they want to believe?

Really?
Two obvious points:

1. Clinton won the popular vote by a wide margin. A point the left has repeated incessantly unless they are trying to claim the Russian effected the outcome of the election.

2. In the indictment of Russians Mueller stated: The results of the election were not impacted.

What else do you need?

Are you saying Mueller is wrong?
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