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Old 02-19-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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How Did Russian Agents Know to Focus on Wisconsin & Michigan But Hillary Didn't


Advice from the Trump people?

 
Old 02-19-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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How did the Russian's know to target swing states? That's an avenue Mueller is looking into.
But then again wouldn't a political science student in community college know about targeting swing states in any election to have some chance of winning there. They are called "swing" for a reason, due to the historical data presented showing they can go to either party.

Hillary most definitely was confusing her own predilection for "swinging" with "swing states" and got turned off going there when it turned out there was only going to be boring political stuff going on in Wisconsin and Michigan.

Russia will continue to target our elections , just like they always have, only know does it become quite clear they are not backing off , maybe even upping the ante, as they see the self inflicted wounds of derision and division brought about by many Americans as they have in the eyes of so many international bystanders "lost the plot" and in a state of disarray which in fact is exciting to some.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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How Did Russian Agents Know to Focus on Wisconsin & Michigan But Hillary Didn't


Advice from the Trump people?
So according to you, Trump told 13 Russian nationals, who got visas from John Kerry's State department, to go to Wisconsin & Michigan, and mind control the people there to vote against Hillary?

Is this what you are saying?


Oh.... And that Hillary didn't know that she needed to do some campaigning in these states too?
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:13 PM
 
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Let's Recap.
  • Michigan, Wisconsin, & Pennsylvania = Hillary's "Blue Wall"
  • Hillary did not campaign in Michigan & Wisconsin, paid little mind to Pennsylvania.
  • Hillary's Blue Wall came tumbling down like cheap Chinese made thing sold at Walmart.
  • Now Democrats, Obama, leftists, MSM and Trump deranged here claim it was 13 Russian nationals who mind controlled Americans to vote for Trump.
So.....

How did the Russians know to focus on Wisconsin, Michigan & Pennsylvanis, but Hillary Didn't.








(Not my question. Podesta was asked this by a CBS pundit not reading from the script. )


LOL Exactly.
The whole thing has become completely laughable. They have been making excuses for 15 months now to explain away Hillary's complete un-likeability and ineptitude.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:30 PM
 
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Hillary spent something like $25M here in NC on TV adverts to get people to vote for her. She essentially was on the local media 24/7 running adverts produced by the best in the advertising business. I remember not being able to turn on a local channel without seeing Hillary.

Yet somehow, these 13 Russian nationals came to NC and mind controlled a ~100,000 Democrats/Independents to vote for Trump instead of her. And they did this with an invisible presence too.

How can this be?

It boggles the mind the power of these Russian nationals.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 10:27 AM
 
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[quote=scirocco;51075245]But then again wouldn't a political science student in community college know about targeting swing states in any election to have some chance of winning there. They are called "swing" for a reason, due to the historical data presented showing they can go to either party.

Absolutely, but the question is how did the Russian's know where to target these areas with such precision? This was way more sophisticated then just some political science student working on a project. That's why Mueller is looking into ties between American's and Russian operatives. Maybe they are unwitting, maybe not.

Manafort sure has been in the news a lot lately. There are new charges against him today. His business partner Rick Gates just finalized a plea deal and is going to testify against Manafort. You have to look back at the controversy about Manafort running the Trump campaign. Manafort worked for Viktor Yanukovych a "Kremlin aligned hard liner who became president of Ukraine." Yanukovych was kicked out of Ukraine in 2014 but Manafort helped promote Opposition Bloc which is a party funded by oligarchs friendly to Yanukovych. Why was someone that connected to the Kremlin running Trump's campaign? When the media started asking questions, Manafort quit the Trump campaign, or did he? Rick Gates, Manafort's business partner was still there. Does this give us a better understanding of why Gates flip and cooperation was so important? Mueller seems to be pursuing Manafort like a bull dog hot on a rabbits tail. I'm extremely curious about that. Money laundering is one thing but his one charge of conspiracy against the United States is most interesting to me.

I just read an article in Bloomberg about Rick Gates and the recordings he made talking to an attorney named Alex VanDerZwaan who is married to a Russian oligarchs daughter with ties to Alpha group and ties to the pro Russian government that was kicked out of Ukraine in 2014. Evidently Manafort and Gates had 2 million in an off shore account used to lobby members of Congress to lift sanctions in Ukraine. I guess the attorney conveniently forgot about his conversations with Gates until the taped conversations appeared. Yet another link to the failure to register as foreign agents? Lobbying for foreign entities is common place, but when you fail to disclose these ties and are working on a presidential campaign? That's a big conflict of interest. Especially when the whole Republican platform was changed to soften any anti Russian sentiment and water down support of Ukraine. Then you have to look at Trump's anti NATO rhetoric, his inability to say anything negative about Russia, his not implementing veto proof additional sanctions against Russia that he signed into law, his not doing anything to protect us against future Russian meddling in our election, him hiding Russian interactions that are only reported on Russian TV. There is more.

Now we come back to the question of was there conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and a foreign government to influence an election. It's a very complicated issue. You can see just how many players there are and how unraveling this mystery is no easy task for Mueller. I can also see a lot of suspicious connections that need to be investigated. I swear this is better then any spy novel I could read. Albeit sad that we have a president that is more pro Russia then pro American. We need to find out why.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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Simple answer:

Hillary Clinton as we know her is a media creation. Give her an offical job as first lady...hand walk her into a Senate seat as a carpet bagger...give her a consolation prize as Secretary of State...endlessly cheerlead her in the media...and you're there!

Unfortunately her disastrous job on heathcare as first lady lost her party Congress for the next 20 of 22 years. She accomplished nothing to speak of as Senator and could not even make a credible defense or her record in a presidential debate. She lists as her accomplishments as Secretary of State Iraq, Libya, and the same Russia she is now claiming lost her the election. Libya and Iraq were of course disasters, so she indicts herself.

Hillary Clinton is basically an ex-first lady who the DNC thougt they could use as a figurehead, and nothing more. She has no reservoirs of talent and experience as we keep hearing, and the fact that she did not know how to campaign in caucus states in her first election and did not know that the electoral college counts in the second speaks to the fact that not only is she incometent at politics and governance, she does not even understand the system that she wants to run.

Anyone who votes for this moron should be ashamed. Give this woman a quarter century, plum spots, big jobs, media cheerleading, truckloads of dirty money, and a DNC riggin things in her favor, and the best accomplishment she can name is Russia. Just wow.
She also doesn't know how to use email.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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This one is easy. She thought the Russians were going to help her in those states so she didn't focus on them. It didn't work out that way for her though so now all the excuses are coming out.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 12:09 PM
 
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Hillary's "debacle" reminds me of the 1985 NEW Coke marketing disaster, to replace regular Coke with a taste like Pepsi.... Nobody wanted it, nobody was "buying it" and nobody was buying what Hillary was selling either.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
Let's Recap.
  • Michigan, Wisconsin, & Pennsylvania = Hillary's "Blue Wall"
  • Hillary did not campaign in Michigan & Wisconsin, paid little mind to Pennsylvania.
  • Hillary's Blue Wall came tumbling down like cheap Chinese made thing sold at Walmart.
  • Now Democrats, Obama, leftists, MSM and Trump deranged here claim it was 13 Russian nationals who mind controlled Americans to vote for Trump.
So.....

How did the Russians know to focus on Wisconsin, Michigan & Pennsylvanis, but Hillary Didn't.








(Not my question. Podesta was asked this by a CBS pundit not reading from the script. )
What evidence is there that the Russians focused on Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA?

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LOL Exactly.
Exactly what, it confirms your biases?
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